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Your opinion on one of my favorite quotes?

“When we’re deluded, there is a world to escape. When we’re aware, there is nothing to escape”
– Bodhidharma –
Personally, I think that everyone has delusions (beliefs not based in reality) and that these beliefs trigger psychological defense mechanisms such as fear, guilt, and hatred when they contradict reality. If we thoroughly examine these assumptions, we can realize that they are grounded in baseless opinion and abandon them, allowing us to view the world for what it is, and avoid the pain associated with confusion.
Do you have your own opinions? Opinions on my opinion?


  1. I agree. You should stick to this philosophy, and strive to control your wants instead of trying to achieve things in life.

  2. It’s a very non-dualistic statement that I relate to the Buddhist notion that the world is an illusion. If you’ve achieved nirvana/awareness than there literally is nothing to escape.

  3. In fact, because I do not believe that religious people have a monopoly on morality, I would rather have someone who is grounded in morality and ethics, and who is also secular, affirm their morality and ethics and values without pretending that they’re something they’re not. They don’t need to do that. None of us need to do that. – Barak Obama
    Organized Religion is like Organized Crime; it preys on peoples’ weakness, generates huge profits for its operators, and is almost impossible to eradicate. – Mike Hermann
    The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history. – Robert A. Heinlein
    Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. Steven Weinberg – Nobel Laureate
    I have examined all of the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our superstitions of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all founded on fables and mythology. Christianity has made one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. – Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

  4. I like it you are right about fear, guilt,
    You should read John lash meta history It relates too your
    thoughts I think.

  5. Some of the world’s most revered religious figures were, at one point or another, wracked by doubt and thought their beliefs were delusions (– Moses, Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed all hesitated at times, unsure of their fidelity to their callings.)
    I’ve worked and socialized mostly around unbelievers who too thought they might have been deluded. I wouldn’t have had it any other way, what a boring world if everyone believed they had absolute faith.
    One man’s delusion is another’s firm belief. It’s all in the heart and mind of the individual.

  6. I disagree. There is a time for fear and a time for guilt. If you have no fear you will step in front of a bus. If you have no guilt you will harm others. Just because someone has a different opinion, doesn’t mean they are deluded or even wrong.

  7. When you have a sound mine you cannot escape your sins and actions. When your deluded. you are not of sound mind and body. That’s why we have so many state hospitals…that’s not where you are going with this…but this is where it should have went and meant to be

  8. Don’t like it. Too subjective and scornful of reality.
    I like the Bible’s way of saying things. This was said 3 times too.
    “Many are the ways that seem right to a man that lead only to Death”.

  9. Ah, but what if your “awareness” (as you think it is), is merely another layer of illusion?
    This thought occurs easily to anyone who has read a few Philip K Dick novels…
    From my own V!A profile:
    “If one wishes to find consolation in this world, one must be prepared to accept at least one or two large lies”
    Graf Ulrich von Bek.

  10. Seems to be the same as:-
    A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. Friedrich Nietzsche

  11. Yes, it is exactly what you say. But there is more than that. To life that is.
    As the quote says, when we’re deluded, there is a world to escape. When we’re aware, the world still exist, but you realise there is nothing to escape, in or out of it. Your delusions are just illusions. This is the perfect example of the contrast between subjectivity and objectivity. We all begin trapped in a box. We exist in a subjective state, most of you that is. It is like denying there is a hurricane ripping through America when you are all the way in Asia. Just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
    So you break out of your subjective ego, and you see there is nothing to fear or deny. But that is not the end though. Now it is time to apply yourself to the real world. That is what I meant there is more to it.
    As in, you existed in a subjective state of inner turbulence. You are already troubled with who you are and your mind constantly battles with itself, trying to sort out Truth. Even once you have awareness that you have created all your own delusions that need not be there in the first place if you were stronger, you still have to face the fact that you are not alone in this world, that whatever you think practical might not work on a grand scale, considering many people still exist in delusion.


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