Birth of the son = rebirth of the sun as we pass the solstice
Stringing up lights is symbolic of the life giving light which begins its slow inevitable return on the solstice. If we just hang on long enough, the spring will come.
It’s a celebration of the sun and a celebration of light and life.

So was it just a coincidence that jesus was born on this day which happens to have been celebrated for thousands of years already and just happens to coincide with these changes in the seasons?

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  • When the Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire, by the doing of Emperor Constantine, he converted all pagan holidays into Christian ones.

  • Because when new lands are conquered and pillaged in the name of “spreading the word” you have to make some effort to convert the populaces…

    If you don’t convert the populaces it becomes more tedious to try and rape the land and resources of the natives. So they incorporate local traditions.

  • *drink*

    To me, Christmas is a day to honour the birth of Christ. Due to the lack of records kept at the time, noone knows when Christ was born, so a day had to be chosen.

    One train of thought is that 25/12 was chosen to convert pagans, another is that pagans converting took their traditions with them.

    Either way 25/12 means what ever you want it to mean. If you want it to be the day you celebrate the resurrection of the invisible pink unicorn, then that’s what it means to you. To me, its not an important day. Contrary to popular belief it is not a solstice. To some christians, it is their day to celebrate the birth of christ. To most people its a free holiday, to stay at home and spend time with loved ones.

  • Because without the pagan traditions, Christmas would be boring! The early Christians knew a good thing when they saw it, and the early Pagans knew that it didn’t really matter what you believed, it was what you did that mattered.

    Early Christians knew that the pagan people did not want to give up their festivities, so they incorporated them into Christmas. The Pagans were able to still honor their Gods and Goddesses, but not face the wrath of the Christians.

    So it worked out all the way around.

  • Sadly along with Easter and halloween it is just a false christian claim!! Several theological examinations of the bible have concluded that if indeed there was a birth it would have been in June!!

    It is nothing to do with either Christianity or Islam but it does have it’s origins in the midwinter festival and many other basically pagan rites but since much of it is a celebration of nature rather than religion everyone should be able to enjoy it and be happy together despite religion!!

    The ancient European pagans celebrated the midwinter festival and a number of other festivals long before Christianity ever existed!

    Babylonians celebrated the feast of the Son of Isis with gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift giving and the goddess of fertility, love, and war.

    The Romans held a festival on 25 December called “Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, celebrating their own god Sol Invictas – PAGAN.

    The Persian god Mithras, the Syrian sun god Elah Gabal, the German Sol, the Greek Helios and the Mesopotamian Shamash. But also Saturnalia, honouring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. The law courts and schools were closed. No public business could be transacted an this is where the holidays originated – ALL PAGAN!!!

    Wax tapers were given by the more humble to their superiors. The origin of the Christmas candle – PAGAN!!

    In Rome groups of costumed went from house to house entertaining their people. And this was where the carolling Christmas tradition originated PAGAN!!

    Statues of the Mother and lover or Mother and son were paraded through the streets not only in Italy but also in Africa, Spain, Portugal, France, Germany and Bulgaria. Thus, the symbolism of the Heavenly Virgin and the infant child paraded on a yearly basis are not of Christian origin. They stem from the Mother-goddess religion, which is very ancient ENTIRELY PAGAN!!.

    Scandinavian countries celebrated Yule honouring Thor – PAGAN.

    In Germania (not Germany) they celebrated midwinter night followed by 12 wild nights of eating and drinking. The 12 days of Christmas PAGAN!!

    The church under Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25 in 350 AD in order to try to hijack the PAGAN festivals but it was largely ignored. Christians did not really celebrate Christmas until 378 but it was then dropped in 381 and not resurrected until 400.

    The Christmas tree stems from pagan tradition and ritual surrounding the Winter Solstice, which included the use of holly boughs ivy and other foliage as an adaptation of pagan tree worship. Holly and ivy represented male and female. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual – all PAGAN!!

    Santa Claus came from the Dutch “Sinterklaas” and was a tall figure riding a white horse through the air and usually accompanied by Black Peter, an elf who punished disobedient children. Also the origin of the reindeer, sleigh and the elves ALL PAGAN!!

    The modern red coated Santa was brought about by coca cola!!

    America actually banned Christmas several times and is the originator of the expression “Happy Holidays” which came about because of the pagan origins of Christmas to include all religions and traditions!!

    The Venerable Bede, an early Christian writer pointed out that the Christian church absorbed Pagan practices when it found the population unwilling to give up the festivals. Thus a lot of what Christians now see as Christians practices are in fact pagan!!!

    Christmas is the time of year christians strive to prove just how pagan they have become!!!

  • It has a long history passed down from generation to generation.

    The secret is to know the truth behind the legends and don’t let others bully you into their beliefs.

    I don’t know when Jesus was born. I believe that that it just worked well with what the people of Rome already believed.

    Yes, The solar messiah’s have been around since time immemorial.

    You already know the answers. Don’t look to this list for enlightenment. Study first, then ask.

  • Here’s the deal: Christ makes everything new, so we can “borrow” any tradition for our own purposes. Lights — Jesus is the light of the world, spring — Resurrection of our Lord, etc. Peace.

  • Historically speaking….because they had no choice.

    Despite their efforts, the majority of the common folk simply refused to abandon their ancestral practices.

    The church tried for generations to abolish the old rights, but people refused to give them up, so they where given a christian veneer.

  • Because they’ve never read Jeremiah, they don’t really love YHWH as much as they pretend to, and

    You know good and well Yahshuah Messiah was NOT born in December at all- that Mithra was- and Christians are really celebrating the annual rebirth of Christ Mithra-

    Thanks to Constantine-

    SOL INVICTUS EST.

    If it fits on a coin it must be true.

    Bless up.

  • Can a Pagan Holiday Be Made
    Christian?

    DURING the winter of 2004, the Christmas season in Italy was marked by a lively debate. Some educators and teachers supported the idea of reducing to a minimum or even completely eliminating any reference to religious Christmas traditions. They advocated this out of respect for the increasing number of schoolchildren who are neither Catholic nor Protestant. However, others in scholastic circles and elsewhere demanded that the traditions be respected and fully preserved.

    Aside from this controversy, though, just what are the origins of many of the Christmas traditions? As the debate was reaching a climax, the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano made some interesting observations.
    The sun god

    Regarding the date when Christmas is celebrated, the Catholic newspaper said: “The real date of Jesus’ birth, from the historical viewpoint, lies concealed beneath a veil of uncertainty as regards Roman history, the imperial census of that time and research in the subsequent centuries. . . . The date of 25 December, as is well known, was chosen by the Church of Rome in the fourth century. This date in pagan Rome

  • yep, You are right. We diont know when Jesus was born. BUT, the rebirth of the new yea seems to be the best time to celebrate it huh…

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