A person told me that they had just started meditating (vipassana) and then they told me that the whole time they were sitting in meditation, it was like they were totally quiet. Like being in the zone, without any thoughts at all. I guess it’s like that because the person is totally identified with one’s thinking thus can’t detect them. So then I wonder what to tell that person if anything? Will the meditation still do it’s magical work, even if the person can’t detect the thinking? I guess this might be the case, because at least sitting in meditation, regularily each day relieves some stress and healing is going on whether they can see their thoughts or not. I realize that if I tell him he’s not doing it right, or something along those lines, then he might get discouraged. It’s been so long since I first started, I don’t recall how it was the first times.
Phae: Counting breaths is what occurred to me as well, because when one looses count then one can know it happened because one got lost in thinking.
Tamara S.: I think the idea to ask him questions to point him towards being the witness of thoughts vs. being identified with them is good. Your comment gives creative ideas. Because one is so used to doing based on what one is telling oneself, then even very simple meditations like ‘watching one’s breath’, are done with one’s mind. I’m breathing in, I’m breathing out, busy as hell…. I’m scanning my foot, now I’m scanning my torso, etc. It gives me the general idea to suggest to the person instead of watching one’s breath, that one focuses on feeling one’s breath. Anything which can be more clearly said that focuses the person into using their inner sensing capabilities to feel something happening using the outside sensing capabilities, I think would be helpful.
damayanti373: I agree with you, that simpler meditations with a strong focal point are better for beginners. When I tried to do a meditation that was more like vipassana, then this gave me too much free reign. I start to remember that I probably sat in meditation for many months, without getting much result. It was after I switched to a 4 count, that it started working better for me. Later I stayed open to trying other types of meditation and eventually developed my own unique way of doing it that worked the best for me. I think people process information differently, and thus why there are so many different meditations. I like this meditation from swami muktananda, it’s very simple , easy to do and I see that the effect is that the inner hearing and inner seeing is engaged thus quieting the talking one. It was just recently I came across the name: Swami Muktananda, I will look him up next.
Kiteeze: Yes, I think your thoughts are pretty much on the mark. He told me he was in this blank state, because he wants to believe he’s doing it right. The rest of what you write brings up another question for me:
Can we be the observer of our thinking at the same time we are engaged in thinking? Or is it more like ‘we are lost in thoughts’, then come back to awareness realizing we were just doing that?