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What is Shaman and what does it have to do with Quantum physics?

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  1. A shaman is the spiritual leader of a tribe
    A practitioner of shamanism is known as a shaman, pronounced /ˈʃɑːmən/, /ˈʃeɪmən/, (|ˈshämən; ˈshā-|) noun (pl. -man(s)).[3] There are many variations of shamanism throughout the world, but several common beliefs are shared by all forms of shamanism. Shamans are intermediaries between the human and spirit worlds. They can treat illness and are capable of entering supernatural realms to obtain answers to the problems of their community.[4]
    And if you think about Quantum physics the two can be quite similar.

  2. This is similar to the soap box that Muslims stand on claiming the Koran had advanced scientific knowledge in the Dark Ages.
    The hippies are claiming the same thing, that rattle-shaking potheads knew about quantum physics a hundred thousand years ago.

  3. Quantum physics is confirming a lot of what the ancient Shamans have been saying about the nature of reality.
    ie. QP. We, all matter, is connected on the quantum level. Compared to Animistic belief, all matter is connected by invisible energy threads.
    There are many such parallels. 😉
    Practicing Shaman… quantum physics rocks.
    You can email me if you would like a more in depth comparison. It is not magic, all of it can be explained by science.
    Gus: The observer thing is based on a real experiment involving firing photons down a tube with two exits. The photon only goes through the exit being observed. It’s not based on hypotheses.

  4. Shamanism comprises a range of traditional beliefs and practices concerned with communication with the spirit world. It is a prominent term in anthropological research.[2] A practitioner of shamanism is known as a shaman, pronounced /ˈʃɑːmən/, /ˈʃeɪmən/, (|ˈshämən; ˈshā-|) noun (pl. -man(s)).[3] There are many variations of shamanism throughout the world, but several common beliefs are shared by all forms of shamanism. Shamans are intermediaries between the human and spirit worlds. They can treat illness and are capable of entering supernatural realms to obtain answers to the problems of their community.[4]
    Contents [hide]
    1 Etymology
    2 Beliefs
    3 Function
    3.1 Mediator
    3.2 Distinct types of shaman
    3.3 Ecological aspect
    4 Soul concept, spirits
    4.1 Soul concept
    4.2 Spirits
    5 Knowledge
    5.1 Cognitive, semiotic, hermeneutic approaches
    5.2 Ecological approaches, systems theory
    6 Career
    6.1 Initiation and learning
    6.1.1 North America
    6.1.2 Extirpation of Shamanism in North America
    6.1.3 South America
    6.1.4 Asia
    6.2 Shamanic illness
    7 Practice
    7.1 Underlying beliefs of practice
    7.2 Methods
    7.3 Music, songs
    7.4 Paraphernalia
    7.4.1 Drum
    7.4.2 Feathers
    7.4.3 Rattle
    7.4.4 Gong
    7.4.5 Didgeridoo and clap stick
    8 Gender and sexuality
    9 Position
    10 History
    10.1 Hypotheses on origins
    10.2 Historical times
    10.3 Decline and revitalization / tradition-preserving movements
    11 Regional variations
    11.1 Europe
    11.2 Asia
    11.2.1 Siberia
    11.2.2 Korea
    11.2.3 Cyprus
    11.2.4 Other Asian traditions
    11.3 Inuit and Eskimo cultures
    11.3.1 Shamanistic features
    11.3.2 Diversity, with some similarities
    11.4 Africa
    11.5 Americas
    11.5.1 Meso-American shamanism
    11.5.2 Amazonia
    11.5.3 Mapuche
    11.5.4 Fuegians
    11.6 Oceania
    12 Criticism of the term “shaman” or “shamanism”
    13 Shamanism and New Age movement
    14 See also
    15 Notes
    16 References
    17 Further reading
    18 External links
    [edit] Etymology
    The term “shaman” is a loan from the Tungusic word Å¡amán, the term for such a practitioner, which also gained currency in the wider Turko-Mongol and Tungusic cultures in ancient Siberia. The word’s etymology is uncertain. It is sometimes connected to a Tungus root Å¡a- “to know”.[5][6] Other scholars assert that the word comes directly from the Manchu language, and would therefore be “the only commonly used English word that is a loan from this language”.[7]
    However, it has been pointed out[8] that the Sanskrit word shramana, designating a wandering monk, has spread to many Central Asian languages with Buddhism, and could be the origin of the Tungusic word.
    [edit] Beliefs
    There are many variations of shamanism throughout the world; and several common beliefs are shared by all forms of shamanism. Common beliefs identified by Eliade (1964)[4] are the following:
    Spirits exist and they play important roles both in individual lives and in human society.
    The shaman can communicate with the spirit world.
    Spirits can be good or evil.
    The shaman can treat sickness caused by evil spirits.
    The shaman can employ trance inducing techniques to incite visionary ecstasy and go on “vision quests.”
    The shaman’s spirit can leave the body to enter the supernatural world to search for answers.
    The shaman evokes animal images as spirit guides, omens, and message-bearers.
    The shaman can tell the future, scry, throw bones/runes, and perform other varied forms of divination
    Shamanism is based on the premise that the visible world is pervaded by invisible forces or spirits which affect the lives of the living.[9] Shamanism requires individualized knowledge and special abilities and operates outside established religions. Many shamans operate alone, although some take on an apprentice. Shamans can gather into associations, as Indian tantric practitioners have done.[citation needed]
    [edit] Function
    Shamans perform a variety of functions depending upon their respective cultures:[10] healing;[11][12] leading a sacrifice;[13] preserving the tradition by storytelling and songs;[14] fortune-telling;[15] acting as a psychopomp (literal meaning, “guide of souls”).[16] In some cultures, a shaman may fulfill several functions in one person.[17]
    The necromancer in Greek mythology might be considered[citation needed] a shaman as the necromancer could rally spirits and raise the dead to utilize them as slaves, soldiers and tools for divination.
    The functions of a shaman may include either guiding to their proper abode the souls of the dead (which may be guided either one-at-a-time or in a cumulative group, depending on culture), and/or curing (healing) of ailments. The ailments may be either purely physical afflictions–such as disease, which may be cured by flattering, threatening, or wrestling the disease-spirit (sometimes trying all these, sequentially), and which may be completed by displaying some supposedly extracted token of the disease-

  5. Nothing. There’s some chick running around here who claims to be a traditional Russian shaman.
    (If she’s a shaman, why use the internet? Can’t she talk to spirits and network that way?)

  6. Well, someone has already defined what a Shaman is for you. As for what the two have in common, quantum physics, though it is a science, often leads us to some very interesting metaphysical hypothesis. Some of these border on mystical, hence, the connection. I remember seeing the answer earlier that I imagine made you ask this question.

  7. A shaman is a tribe’s religious leader, typically with social, cultural, moral, and medical authority as well as spiritual authority in the tribe.
    Shaman Val’s answer describes the connection she sees between shamanism and quantum physics.

  8. It’s based on a misinterpretation of the Observer Effect.
    Have you ever heard of the Schrödinger’s cat thought experiment? It involves a cat in a closed box with a vile of poison that may or may not have been broken. The idea is that, as far as a quantum mechanics explanation goes, the cat is both alive and dead at the same time. When you open the box, a position is solidified, because you observed it.
    Thing is, Schrödinger’s cat was meant to point out the absurdity of the Copenhagen Interpretation, it was not meant to explain any sort of genuine phenomenon.
    The idea of Shamanism is that, due to the Observer Effect in which our very observation changes a system, we are all connected to the universe in some yet-to-be understood way.
    I’m not going to say this is absolutely untrue. The thing about it is that you cannot use interpretations of quantum mechanics to prove something. They are interpretations, not fact and not theory. They work as a way to understand complex equations having to do with how matter operates at an atomic and sub-atomic level.
    But we don’t KNOW nearly enough about it to assume such things as that matter is interconnected.
    Even if it were, “observation” is nothing more a bunch of matter involved in elaborate chemical reactions, when we look at it from a purely physical aspect (which you would certainly do if you were using physics to prove something).
    How does one chemical reaction affect all matter around it?
    This is why the “observer effect”, as understood by most armchair physicists, is absurd when described to professional physicists.
    EDIT: Shaman, This sounds like the Double-slit experiment, which does not work to confirm the Observer Effect as Shamanism takes it (if I’m not speaking of the right one, I’d love to hear about which one you are citing).
    Further, I will not say that there is no such thing as the Observer Effect. I will only say that from what I know about Shamanism, you are taking an interpretation of quantum mechanics that is still very far from fully understood, and extrapolating a grand meaning or connection of everything in the universe from it.
    If there is such a connection, awesome. But I do not think it is fair at all to say that a single, commonly misunderstood part of a controversial interpretation of quantum mechanics proves it.
    EDIT: Unus, my point is almost entirely that, no matter how you wrap it up, Shamanism falls under the context of a PHILOSOPHICAL interpretation of quantum mechanics, and to parade it around as something proven by science is dishonest at best.
    We are really just beginning to start understanding the implications of quantum phenomena, and indeed…it might lead us where the Shamans are suggesting…but that does not, as of now, make it part and parcel to Quantum Mechanics.
    I’m not sure I agree with your dichotomy either. I’d say that there is very likely more to this than any of us know, and within that knowledge which we lack, there are more answers.

  9. Shamanism is a method where an individual (a shaman) attempts to solve problems through manipulation and contact with the spirit world.
    In shamanism everything has a spirit (animism) and is alive, including rocks, clouds, trees, rivers, as well as animals and people.
    This means that all things that have spirits are equal with us.
    These spirits are everywhere, permeate our world, and can affect our lives.
    Shamans use altered states of consciousness through such methods as autohypnosis, the ingestion of hallucinogens, fasting, and self-mortification to contact spirits which can be either good or bad in order to learn the future, make decisions, or attempt healings of people who might be oppressed by bad spirits.
    Shamanism uses spirit guides, contacting these guides in order to have them direct your life.
    Shamans use astral projection, where the spirit of a person leaves the body and travels into the spirit world, and various means of predicting the future such as throwing bones.
    Essentially, shamanism is divination and sorcery and is generally practiced by Indian tribes. The Bible condemns divination as a sin.
    Quantum physics is a branch of science that deals with discrete, indivisible units of energy called quanta as described by the Quantum Theory. There are five main ideas represented in Quantum Theory:
    Energy is not continuous, but comes in small but discrete units.
    The elementary particles behave both like particles and like waves.
    The movement of these particles is inherently random.
    It is physically impossible to know both the position and the momentum of a particle at the same time.
    The more precisely one is known, the less precise the measurement of the other is.
    The atomic world is nothing like the world we live in.

  10. A shaman is an explorer of inner spaces and a seeker of truth. They often brew psychedelics into teas or ‘potions’ so that they continue their journey to understanding the mind, the self and the universe as well as the connection between them all.
    Quantum physics is a field of science that has stumbled upon the role of the observer in the generation of reality. This has led many to seek, how and why, the observer has a role in the creation of the world we see around us. And what is outside our visual limitation? A shaman seeks the true nature of reality.


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