In this Intense conversation between Jiddu Krishnamurti and Dr. Allan W. Anderson, Krishnamurti dig into Psychology of pleasure and Fear in Pleasure, as J Krishnamurti puts it, ” Pleasure and fear seem to be deeply rooted in us – these two principles of pleasure and fear. I don’t think we can understand pleasure without understanding fear. Like punishment and reward. If there was no punishment at all nobody would talk about reward.”
This is the seventh conversation between Krishnamurti and Dr. Allan W. Anderson in San Diego, California,1974.
Discussion in this Conversation :
What is pleasure? What is desire? We are not condemning pleasure, but observing it. To really go into the question of pleasure one has to look into desire. Through propaganda desire is inflamed.
What is desire? How does it come about that this very strong desire is born, is cultivated? How does it take place in each one of us?
Must desire be controlled at all? Desire seems to be a very active and demanding instinct that is going on in us all the time.
Why has pleasure, whether of sex, possession, power knowledge, or enlightenment become so extraordinarily important in life?
Pleasure is an extraordinary thing. To see a beautiful thing and to enjoy it, what is wrong with that?
Excerpts from Conversation
what is desire? Because I see something and immediately I must have it, a gown, a coat, a tie, the feeling of possession, the urge to acquire, the urge to experience, the urge of an act that will give me tremendous satisfaction.
The satisfaction might be the acquisition, acquiring a tie, or a coat, or sleep with a woman, or – acquiring. Now behind that, isn’t there, sir, this desire. I might desire a house and another might desire a car, another might desire to have intellectual knowledge. Another might desire god, or enlightenment. They are all the same.
The objects vary, but the desire is the same. One I call the noble; the other I call the ignoble, worldly, stupid. But the desire behind it. So what is desire? How does it come about that this very strong desire is born, is cultured? You follow? What is desire? How does it take place in each one of us?
About Jiddu Krishnamurti
Krishnamurti took on the challenge of modern scientists and psychologists and went with them step by step, discussed their theories and sometimes enabled them to discern the limitations of those theories. Krishnamurti belonged to no religious organization, sect or country, nor did he subscribe to any school of political or ideological thought. On the contrary, he maintained that these are the very factors that divide human beings and bring about conflict and war.
Krishnamurti spoke not as a guru but as a friend, and his talks and discussions are based not on tradition-based knowledge but on his own insights into the human mind and his vision of the sacred, so he always communicates a sense of freshness and directness although the essence of his message remained unchanged over the years. When he addressed large audiences, people felt that Krishnamurti was talking to each of them personally, addressing his or her particular problem.
Krishnamurti was concerned with all humanity and stated that he held no nationality nor belief, belonging to no particular group or culture.
This video is subtitled in Following Languages :
English, French, Greek, Portuguese, Spanish.