I have seen so many question of this nature on here and I find it offensive. What makes you sure that you are not the brainwashed and delusional one?

In my eyes, modern western thought is the most delusional belief system on earth, well…its not really western thought anymore, since much of the world has been westernized in the last few 100 years. Its all based on materialism. The science reflects the culture and the culture reflects the science. The science is based on Descartes and the premise that everything can be explained by the interaction of its parts. To me consumer capitalism is just as much of a dogmatic institution as any religion. From the day you are born you conditioned into this view of reality, from the schools, your family, and the mass media. You are living in a made up virtual world maintained by culture. I hate to break it to you, but your fancy cars and stuff, only have value because you believe them to.

Why do you blame people who have a spiritual connection with the whole of nature? Is it because that would threaten your world view? The world view that has imperialized, colonized, and forced its beliefs on the world the last few hundred years. Did you know that there were actually natives who used to live in the America’s that respected the land? The western world view that dominates the planet is directly to blame for the destruction of the forests, the huge gap between poor and rich, the mass extinction of animals, and much of the depression and apathy that people feel.

You can throw out the word god, but its still basically the same world view as before. Where people identify themselves as an isolated ego in a material body, where they see themselves as separate from nature, rather than an interconnected part of nature. This world view is delusional, look at the affect it is having on the planet
J Boss, did I mention the bible?This is how shallow the debate is on here. People try to frame it between these two extremes, the literal Christians and the material atheists. Just to let you know, that there are many more perspectives out there than just those two
Acid zebra, I am not saying that everyone is delusional, but me. I am saying that people need to look in the mirror, before they label another viewpoint as delusional. They should look at the history of their own world view, as Ideas follow the same kind of path as biological evolution.
Darth Cheney, I do believe that. I do think we live in the most spiritually dead culture, that is based on materialism. That is not saying, that I or any viewpoint has the all the answers. No one has all the answers. We are all ignorant to some degree