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Theists, would you welcome serious scientific study of mundane manifestations of your religion?

If researchers came into your place or worship and wanted to study things like religious ecstasy, perception of the divine, prayer, meditation, glossolalia, ritual, miracles, magic, etc. would you welcome their presence and their findings?
2nd Q – Do you believe that mundane manifestations of religion can be studied scientifically or are all things related to religion outside the scope of natural phenomena?

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  1. If theists studied anything in a scientific way, then It would be just a matter of time before they become agnostics or even Atheists!.
    1.- Anybody likes to be disturbed in their house… maybe they are going around streets claiming that Jesus appeared in a toast, or that Harry Potter is the Anti-christ…
    2.- Of course, the ghost busters exist for that kind of things!

  2. Absolutely. However, science can never explain the soul, so while science would explain some things rationally, it will fall well short on other issues that are essential to theistic belief.

  3. 1Cor.14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
    35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

  4. Yes, I absolutely would welcome such studies and many have already been conducted with very interesting results.
    I think that the manifestations of religious practice can be studied scientifically, but because science is necessarily naturalistic, the results of these studies can only go so far as to tell us about the natural aspects of these manifestations. Not a complete picture, but still very interesting and informative.

  5. I don’t think anything lies outside the scope of natural phenomena.
    If people were respectful I’d have no problem with them studying.
    It does not garauntee I would agree with their findings but really it wouldn’t effect me one way or the other.

  6. Very good question. I find people get shaken when you question the faith. They need it intact. It helps them. I don’t mind them having it as long as they keep it contained. It becomes like a virus for them, they want to spread it.

  7. We can and do. Specifically natural theology, a.k.a. the psychology of religion, which deals solely in the scientific study of religion.
    Anything that is physical can be objectively analysed. Especially if it can be reduced to math.

  8. Well being an Atheist, I don’t have any Religious practices or rituals. I don’t believe in gods or miracles. I believe in what can be and has been proven. Prove that there is such a thing as god or any divinity, and you will have converted me. Faith is BS. If god existed and Jesus existed and the bible isn’t just fairy tales, there would be some sort of proof. Organized religion is the biggest BS story that has ever been told and because it was told in a time before modern science and a decent understanding of the world around us, people bought it. and people continue to buy it because their parents did or whatever and it was how they were raised. Its nothing but following blindly.

  9. Sure…
    I’d love to see what they have to say about Eastern Orthodoxy (especially monasticism!)
    Although I must say that rationalism and mysticism don’t mix very well.

  10. And you think this is new and that it has not been going on for centuries. Sir Isaac Newton did a great study of both science and the Creator.
    All things are related to God and since there are only 2 religions: God’s way and man’s way, the scientific study done by man will have faults, but the Word of God has no faults. God is truth.
    If more scientists would study and know the Word of God, the Holy Bible, God would make more of the supernatural known to them. All good gifts come from above and without God man can do nothing and man is nothing without God.
    The prophets of the Holy Bible have never, never been wrong. They are not like Nostradamus who is so wide spread that any one can make whatever they want of his sayings. The Bible prophets fortold the future as it was given to them by God.
    The greatest proof of God is Israel. God said that He would regather His people and make them a nation in one day. The Jews started returning to Israel in the latter part of the 1800s, but on May 14, 1948, in one day the nation of Israel was born again. The only nation ever to be born again or revitalized after almost 2000 years. There are so many prophesies like this and the prophets of God are never, never, never wrong.

  11. I wouldn’t mind it at all. I don’t know about others in my religion though. Some are pretty particular about who they even let see their rituals, let alone study them. And I think their findings will only go so far. Much like it has with ESP and other forms of “magic” (poor word, I know).
    I think they can only be studied so far. Much like the ecstacy some claim within some religions. You will see it manifest within the person, may even be able to take blood to find the levels of endorphins, etc But I doubt you would find any solid proof of any cause other than to say the person themself is doing it (which may or may not be the case).

  12. As one who can vividly recall being another person in my previous incarnation, to the point where I took my parents to visit the family whose daughter I used to be before I died at the age of twelve, I would welcome any serious scientific investigation of this. I proved it fairly easily for both families sinceI was able to recall names and events and also where I had hidden my rag doll before I died.
    I know all this sounds bizzare and fantastical, which is what I have always bumped into when I mention this.
    What would be the purpose of any scientific investigation anyway? It would only prove something within a very narrow range of phenomena, and still leave the fundamental theological issue unanswered. Operating within the confines of one language and one rather Western scientific tradition(which has made some glaringly funny mistakes in history, you have to admit) is like trying to paint with only two colours. In other words, it serves no purpose in trying to uplift a scientific tradition by involving it beyond what it can do.
    About the only path(apart from that which you have listed) to something approaching the divine I can
    offer or recommend is classical Indian music played by an exponent like Ravi Shankar. If you get it fine. If you don’t also fine.
    Science ought to concentrate on finding cures for HIV and cancer.

  13. I don’t believe in anything supernatural. How can supernatural exist when Nature is EVERYTHING?
    Although I wouldn’t prevent science from trying to study these things, I doubt it is advanced enough currently to have any real results from experimentations. Some things simply are out of its grasp. Science isn’t the beginning and end of everything: it’s about all things physical. Whether or not exists something non-physical (like sentient energy) it can’t study it. At least for the time being 🙂

  14. Sure. 🙂 My beliefs don’t require me to disregard science. About the only things I actually believe in that science cannot prove or disprove are the existence of deities and the existence of souls. But I’m open to questioning anything and everything.
    As for the second part of your question, I’m not sure… as I’ve said there are some things that can’t be definitively proved or disproved today. There are some things I think science may be able to explain someday, but I don’t know what would have to happen to make “proving” a deity’s existence possible.
    I’d also agree with others here in that I don’t think of anything as “supernatural.” Things that are put into that category are just things we cannot explain yet IMO.

  15. I’d love to! Wouldn’t likely change my beliefs unless you could prove that Pantheism is not a viable belief, or you had some shocking evidence for non-existence! ^.^
    Theist doesn’t mean you have a religion btw. You can believe in a higher power or existence without being religious!
    Peace and Knowledge! 🙂

  16. Sure, go for it.
    But we don’t really have any of that nor would I expect any ground breaking results.
    I think we can examine religion on a psychological and neurobiological level and I apply that at an academic level all the time. I think we can and do find things linking thought patterns and processes to religion through science. It doesn’t PROVE religion or disprove, it only shows how it works in our head and I think that’s pretty cool.

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