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The seeds of any and all creation lie in our pineal glands,?

anything we want to create, the seeds are there. Where do we plant the seeds that will see them through to fruition, or manifestation? Do they need tending or forgetting?
I don’t know, Kiki, why?
Thank you, Pangel. I’ll have to share something with you I saw that fostered this question.
The calcium shell or hardening of the pineal gland is from lack of use. Just like any muscle, if it isn’t used it atrophies. Menopausal women have dissolved this calcium by directing the heat from their hot flashes to the pineal gland. Then some people have used their pineal all their lives and they don’t calcify. Ultraviolet light enables the pineal to begin functioning. It affects the calcium somehow.
I’m sure it does sound funny. 10 years ago if I had read something like this I would have thought the same. Experience has taught me and brought me through so many changes it is dizzying to think about. It has to do with chakras, energy, third eye, psychism, remote viewing. And, some I can’t remember at the moment. lol
Okay, Marty, in plain english, what does that mean? What is the connection and reaction of the placed positions of said brain material?
That’s interesting, Master. I’ve not heard that before. I have some reading to do now. Thanks. *smiles*


  1. Why can’t I stop smiling?
    I think it’s because of this question! I don’t understand it, but it sounds funny ^-^

  2. I don’t understand your question, so I looked up what the pineal gland is and does. Seems that by the time we’re adults, it’s more or less calcified. Why do you think the seeds of all creation lie in the pineal gland?
    Taken from Wikipedia: The pineal gland was originally believed to be a “vestigial remnant” of a larger organ (much as the appendix was thought to be a vestigial digestive organ). Aaron Lerner and colleagues at Yale University discovered that melatonin, the most potent compound then known to lighten frog skin, was present in the highest concentrations in the pineal.[7] Melatonin is a derivative of the amino acid tryptophan, which also has other functions in the central nervous system. The production of melatonin by the pineal gland is stimulated by darkness and inhibited by light.[8] Photosensitive cells in the retina detect light and directly signal the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN), entraining it to the 24 hour clock. Fibers project from the SCN to the paraventricular nuclei (PVN), which relay the circadian signals to the spinal cord and out via the sympathetic system to superior cervical ganglia (SCG), and from there into the pineal gland. The function(s) of melatonin in humans is not clear; it is commonly prescribed for the treatment of circadian rhythm sleep disorders.
    The pineal gland is large in children, but shrinks at puberty. It appears to play a major role in sexual development, hibernation in animals, metabolism, and seasonal breeding. The abundant melatonin levels in children is believed to inhibit sexual development, and pineal tumors have been linked with precocious puberty. When puberty arrives, melatonin production is reduced. Calcification of the pineal gland is typical in adults.
    Pineal cytostructure seems to have evolutionary similarities to the retinal cells of chordates.[9] Modern birds and reptiles have been found to express the phototransducing pigment melanopsin in the pineal gland. Avian pineal glands are believed to act like the suprachiasmatic nucleus in mammals.[10]
    Studies suggest that in rodents the pineal gland may influence the actions of recreational drugs, such as cocaine,[11] and antidepressants, such as fluoxetine (Prozac),[12] and its hormone melatonin can protect against neurodegeneration.[13]

  3. everyone smiles when they see squirt Kiki lol
    the seeds are already planted … we just need to recognise them and then nurture them

  4. Are you making reference to the small amount of Dimethyltryptamine created by the pineal gland, the potent hallucinogen (found in many organisms, often extracted from Phalaris grass)?
    The pineal gland, if I remember, releases the Dimethyltryptamine 49 days after conception, the same day that Buddhists believe life ultimately begins.

  5. Oddly, the pineal gland is the site of the third eye and that is what we use to see things clearly…so yes, maybe so…

  6. Pineal gland is the controller of daily body activities. When manifested with spiritual flow it blooms like a 1000 petalled Lotus, the body is forgotten, what joy, what peace and what bliss.

  7. ……..’The idea of plants as ambassadors or intermediaries between worlds is highly plausible after review of the chemistry behind the phenomena. Could there be a kind of biochemical communication system set up between species? The pathways which create the active ingredients in Anadenanthera derived snuff also occur in the human metabolism. They are essential aspects of our circadian (sleep/wake) rythum cycle. Practically all living organisms, from the smallest amoebae to the praying mantis to a modern human, possess internal clocks that manage a variety of natural rhythms. These internal clocks evolved in order to adapt to life on this planet. Since the earth rotates around its axis every 24 hours, with roughly 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of night, organisms created chemicals to help them easily adapt to light and dark. It was also necessary to adapt to the varying number of hours of daylight during different seasons. Temperature, humidity, latitude, and altitude were other environmental conditions to which life has had to adapt. It involves the cooperation of the pineal gland along with other regions of the brain. The process can be summarized like so: We intake the essential amino acid L-tryptophan through diet. Light photons enter through our pupils and stimulate rods and cones in the back of our eyes, an area called the retina as well as the top of our head, and other thin skinned areas of the body. The energy from light photons is converted to electrical and chemical impulses, which are relayed through a small bundle of nerves, called the optic tract, to the hypothalamus. Information from the hypothalamus is in turn relayed through several other nerve tracts to the pineal gland. (Aronson, 1993) In the pineal gland, tryptophan is converted to serotonin or 5- hydroxy-tryptamine by 5hydroxylation and decarboxylation. Serotonin is used as our predominate daily-waking neurotransmitter. An acetyl group is added to serotonin by an enzyme called serotonin-N-acetyl-transferase (NAT). NAT is believed to be the rate-limiting enzyme, that is, the amount of melatonin produced depends on the activity of this enzyme. Activation of NAT depends not only on signals induced by light hitting the retina, but also from information relayed from other parts of the brain. Adding a methyl group, leading to melatonin follows the acetylation of serotonin. Throughout daylight hours, light reaching the pineal gland prevents the production of melatonin. Even very low intensity light as from an indoor fluorescent light may prevent melatonin release (Laakso, 1993). Light signals reaching the pineal inhibit the activity of the enzyme that converts serotonin to melatonin. Darkness allows melatonin production. Starting in the evening, and throughout the night, the pineal gland releases melatonin, reaching peak levels between 2 and 4 am. In the morning, exposure to light shuts off melatonin production. The chemical name of melatonin is 5-methoxy-N-acetyl-tryptamine. When melatonin is metabolized in the pineal gland, it is converted to 5-methoxy-tryptamine (Hardeland, 1993). 5-methoxy-tryptamine is further metabolized to N, N-dimethyl-5-methoxy-tryptamine (5-MEO-DMT) and other tryptamines. Our brain manufactures its own hallucinogens, which lead us to dream. These neurotransmitters should be viewed as little biochemical fuses that regulate the flow of information across synapses. All of the information is out there all of the time. The body has found ways to capture and regulate the flow so we do not experience sensory overload. We”ve always thought that hallucinogens were substances foreign to the brain. It is interesting to note that we synthesize natural hallucinogens during sleep; they are a normal part of our brain chemistry. Moreover, our brain does not seem to develop a tolerance to these tryptamine hallucinogens since we dream every night, whether we remember the dreams or not. J.C. Callaway, Ph.D., from the University of Kuopio, Finland. published an article in the journal Medical Hypotheses in 1988. Dr. Callaway believes tryptamines and related compounds are the chemicals responsible for dreams. He has found Bufotenine, DMT, Harmine, and harmaline to be major players in this process. (Callaway 1996) These chemicals are excreted in the urine and samples have be taken and measured to confirm this. Researchers speculate that the amount of various tryptamines reaching the DNA of each cell informs that cell as to which proteins to make. Some researchers (Kloeden, 1993) think the pineal gland functions as a centralized clock to coordinate genes switching on and off. This coincides with the findings of DJ McKenna and J.C. Callaway in their study of Ayahuasca known as the “Huasca Project”. They have found nearly identical chemical complexes in Ayahuasca brews of South America as that found in Anadenanthera. Some of the related effects are what”s known as the “resetting of the clock” where by people report being released from pathological behavior responsible for addictions and general imbalances such as cravings for poor nutrition. (Callaway 1996, DJ McKenna 1996) We now know that the pineal gland has extremely important functions. It influenc es the workings of our immune system and the secretion of hormones. The pineal gland translates environmental information, such as light or temperature, into signals that are transmitted to other parts of our brain and body. This is mainly achieved through the cyclic secretion of these tryptamine neurotransmitters. We also know that each stage of the circadian rhythm cycle has a corresponding predominant neurotransmitter and associated brain wave frequency measured in cycles per second or Hz. The frequency known as theta (~7 – 9Hz) is associated with stage 5 REM sleep, which is the stage known to be predominated by the methylated tryptamines; 5-MEO-DMT, DMT, 5-HO-DMT, Harmine, & Harmaline. In the 1950”s a man named Henry Schumman measured the earth”s average magnetic resonance. He found it to average ~7.83Hz. At this point I must in all honesty announce a departure from science, because t he methodology or mythology of science has not as of yet to my knowledge confirmed (or denied) what I am about to say. This is also the point where indigenous knowledge about hallucinogens and science can come to an agreement. Is it possible to believe that the similarity between the associated frequencies is not just a coincidence? Dr. Lovelock”s now famous Gaia hypothesis says the earth is alive and intelligent. Could these plants and the biochemistry they contain be considered communication pheromones allowing various species to align themselves with the Gaian mind? Are the entheogenic tryptamines essential nutrients similar to essential amino acids? Are we communicating at the cellular level with the planet on a daily basis? Have indigenous cultures through the use of plants like Anadenanthera; found a way to align their intent with the higher intent of the planet. If so, does this catalyze a relationship characteristic of symbiotic mutualism rather than symbiotic parasitism? This also brings up the possibility that mind is truly a non-local phenomenon. In other words could the brain be considered a receiver rather than a generator of mind, similar to a radio? Jonathon Ott has catalogued nearly 4,000 combinations of plants, which would yield chemical complexes similar to those discussed above. It is beginning to appear that tryptamines are everywhere and earth is trying to tell us something. Will we listen? In summary, the use of plants for healing takes on many forms depending on who is using them. The worldview of the people using the plants should be considered an important aspect of the healing process and the mythology surrounding the plants should be viewed with an open mind. Entheogenic plants, like those represented in the genus Anadenanthera, may be considered ambassadors and teachers. They may some day be seen as aids to communication and learning not to hallucination but in fact catalysts to perceive more of the information already present. An understanding of this knowledge will b
    e important for maintaining balance and harmony between people and the earth.’……………..

  8. You must be very wise… Actually, science is closer and closer to spirituality. Besides all the other functions in our brain, the pineal gland is responsible for our communication with spirituality, including psychic phenomena and mediums skills.
    Very good question!

  9. could the pineal gland invoke a temporal resonance between
    the extant three dimensions of space and the one of time …
    (which are embedded in a sub-dimensional kernel of …)
    the over-spanning 11-dimensions of quantum reality
    thru the RNA-mediated tuning of DNA memory
    tending … “yes”

  10. WOW! I KNOW that when I take 5HTP it makes me feel REALLY GOOD the next day. The reason for this has to be what Rez Rostov said in his “article”. I was going to answer this when I FIRST saw it and then I said “WHOA” and backed off and then ran as fast as I could. I’m glad b/c Res Rostov would’ve kicked my tail on this question. I would recommend Him/her (?) for the 10 points. That was an AWESOME read. I almost felt I understood it and I KNOW that what you said was total truth just because of my happy happy feelings after taking 5HTP.
    I only have ONE question for Rez Rostov and have a LOT of faith that he/she will be able to answer this without hesitation.
    I wish I had the script to write this in it’s original Homeric Greek but I’m sure you will recognize this. I’m not sure WHY you will recognize it since only ONE person on this ENTIRE planet has been able to recognize it yet, and I was amazed when he recognized it but he did admit that he used the internet to identify it and, of course, that is a no no.
    So Rez, can YOU identify this VERY FAMOUS verse from the original days of Greek Wrestlers?
    Andre moi ennepe Musa polutropon, ‘os mala pala.
    Feel free to email me if you can figure it out. After an hour or two if you don’t get it feel free to Google it but please give it a go on your own first.
    Peace …. Pineal glands … where the seeds produce Pine Trees! hheee heeee! LOL

  11. Hmm…
    I’m not going to offer any technical information about the pineal gland…you have enough in the other answers…
    I agree with your statements, “…anything we want to create, the seeds are there.”
    Consider this quote;
    “The philosopher and the plowman,
    Each must know his part,
    To sow a new mentality
    Closer to the heart..”
    To me, having the right mentality is the same as having good ground for planting…for instance, having an abundance mentality vs. a scarcity mentality…
    The seeds may appear as tiny ideas of what could be…remote possibilities…glimpses of potential…
    Our imagination along with the right mentality becomes the landscape…our loving attention becomes sunlight…our daily affirmations become the daily watering…
    Doubts may grow like weeds, and we pull them out by the roots…
    Did you know that gardening is the oldest profession? Remember Adam?
    “…and He put Adam in the garden to tend it and keep it.”
    Just teasing(or am I?), but it’s a cool thought in relation to your Q…

  12. Yes, the seeds are there, and so is the growth and the fruit. I think it’s best to forget them, over tending can cause damage. However sometimes one must over tend to learn that “The road of excess leads to the tower of wisdom”. : )


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