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Qigong, Nei kung, Tai Chi??

What are the most potent Qigong, Nei Kung or Tai Chi exercises.
I currently do the bone marrow cleanse standing on powerful magnets while doing microcosmic breathing, are there any other potent exercises like the bone marrow cleanse, what has the most health benefits, or is there an equal or more powerful one. If so what do you practice or know of, what has been successful for you. If you know of any websites or books that have great information, please mention them. Thanks.


  1. Qi-gong- Qigong or chi kung is a practice involving movement and regulated breathing which is designed to be therapeutic. In its origin, Qigong is a part of Traditional Chinese medicine. Qigong is mostly taught for health maintenance purposes, but there are also some who teach it as a therapeutic intervention or practice it as a medical profession. Various forms of traditional qigong are also widely taught in conjunction with Chinese martial arts, and are especially prevalent in the advanced training of what are known as the Neijia, or internal martial arts where the object is the full mobilization and proper coordination and direction of the energies of the body as they are applied to facilitate all physical actions.
    Qigong relies on the traditional Chinese belief that the body has something that might be described as an “energy field” generated and maintained by the natural respiration of the body, known as qi. Qi means breath or gas in Chinese, and, by extension, the energy produced by breathing that keeps us alive; gong means work applied to a discipline or the resultant level of technique. Qigong is then “breath work” or the art of managing one’s breathing in order to achieve and maintain good health, and (especially in the martial arts) to enhance the energy mobilization and stamina of the body in coordination with the physical process of respiration.
    Attitudes toward the scientific basis (or lack of it) for qigong vary markedly. Most Western medical practitioners and many practitioners of traditional Chinese medicine, as well as the Chinese government, view qigong as a set of breathing and movement exercises, with possible benefits to health through stress reduction and exercise. Others see qigong in more metaphysical terms, claiming that breathing and movement exercises can help one tap the fundamental energies of the universe.
    We live in a field of qi, “vital breath” or “life energy.” Yet, like a fish in water or a bird in flight, we are unaware of the medium that supports us. Qigong means “working with the qi.” It is the ancient Chinese art and science of becoming aware of this life energy and learning how to control its flow through a precise choreography of posture, movement, respiratory technique, and meditation. Like biofeedback, qigong teaches psychophysiological self-regulation; the student becomes aware of bodily functions conventionally considered involuntary– blood pressure, respiratory rate, even the flow of blood and nutrients to internal organs– and learns to restore a healthier balance. However, unlike biofeedback, no technical devices are needed. Qigong is one of the most cost-effective self-healing methods in the world. The only investment needed is time, a half-hour to an hour each day; the dividends of better health, increased vitality, and peaceful alertness accrue daily and are cumulative.
    Qigong is like a great river fed by four major tributaries: shamanism, spirituality, medicine, and martial arts:
    1. Shamanism:
    An ancient text, The Spring and Autumn Annals, states that in mythic times a great flood covered much of China. Stagnant waters produced widespread disease. The legendary shaman-emperor Yu cleared the land and diverted the waters into rivers by dancing a bear dance and invoking the mystical power of the Big Dipper Constellation. As the waters subsided, people reasoned that movement and exercise can similarly cause the internal rivers to flow more smoothly, clearing the meridians of obstructions to health. Qigong-like exercises are found on ancient rock art panels throughout China. Chinese shamans used these exercises and meditations to commune with nature and natural forces and to increase their powers of healing and divination.
    2. Spirituality (Taoism and Buddhism):
    A. Taoism. Qigong philosophy and techniques are mentioned in the classic of Taoist philosophy, the Dao De Jing, written in the fourth century B.C. “By concentrating the qi and making your body supple, can you become like a child?” Qigong was the ideal way for Taoists to realize their goal of wuji, an empty, alert, boundless state of consciousness, and xing ming shuang xiu, “spirit and body cultivated in balance.” Taoists and qigong practitioners were both looking for a harmony of yin and yang: inside and outside, earthly and spiritual, stillness and activity. The majority of works on qigong are still found among the approximately 1,100 texts in the Taoist Canon.
    B. Buddhism. The Buddhist emphasis on tranquillity, awareness, and diligent practice are part of qigong. Several styles of qigong were developed by Buddhists who needed an exercise and healing system to complement their lengthy seated meditations.
    3. Medicine:
    Chinese medicine includes acupuncture, herbalism, massage, diet, and qigong. Qigong is the preventive and self-healing aspect of Chinese medicine and was used in the past, as today, to teach patients how to improve their own health. The major early text on qigong is the Dao-yin Tu “Dao-yin Illustrations” (168 B.C.). Dao-yin is an ancient word for qigong. This work contains illustrations of forty-four qigong postures prescribed by ancient Chinese doctors to cure specific ailments. The patriarch of Chinese medicine, Hua Tuo (second century A.D.) was one of the great early qigong masters. His “Five Animal Frolics” imitate the movements of the Crane, Bear, Monkey, Deer, and Tiger and are still practiced today. Hua Tuo said that just as a door hinge will not rust if it is used, so the body will attain health by gently moving and exercising all of the limbs.
    4. Martial Arts:
    Qigong practice can improve performance in the martial arts or any other sport. Chinese martial artists designed or helped to improve many qigong techniques as they looked for ways to increase speed, stamina, and power, improve balance, flexibility, and coordination, and condition the body against injury. Qigong was a major influence on the development of western gymnastics, thanks to Jesuit P. M. Cibot’s 1779 illustrated French translation of Taoist qigong texts: Notice du Cong-fou [Kung-fu] des Bonzes Tao-see [Taoist priests]. Cibot’s descriptions inspired Per Henrik Ling (1776-1839) to create the first school of modern gymnastics in Sweden.
    You can see why it is hard to find a simple definition for such a comprehensive system of mental and physical development. Qigong is a spiritual practice with roots in shamanism and Taoism. It is a powerful method of self-healing and a warm-up for any sport. It includes both exercise and meditation.
    Qigong is practiced by more than 80 million Chinese people and probably by tens of thousands in the United States and Europe. Qigong has been rigorously tested in controlled scientific experiments and clinical trials and is often used as an adjunct to conventional allopathic medical treatment. Hypertensive patients who take medication and practice qigong fare better than controls who only take the medication. Similarly, there is solid evidence that qigong can improve immune function and mental health, and prevent disabilities that come with age. Qigong acts like Vitamin C, increasing the activity of an enzyme that helps to deactivate free radicals, highly reactive chemicals that promote tissue degeneration and loss of memory. In 1995 the Journal of the American Medical Association published evidence that Taiji Quan, a form of qigong, is effective at preventing loss of balance and falling injuries among the elderly. Researchers at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine confirm that Taiji Quan works like aerobics at reducing high blood pressure.
    There are thousands of styles of qigong. Some are designed for general health and well-being and may be practiced every day for a lifetime. Others are therapeutic and targeted to cure specific problems. Qigong techniques are suitable for men and women, young and old, athletes and sedentary, and for the disabled. All styles are based on similar principles: relaxed, rooted posture; straight, supple spine; diaphragmatic respiration– the abdomen expanding on inhalation, retracting on exhalation; fluid movements without excess effort; and tranquil awareness.
    Quality is more important than quantity. Students are advised to learn one or two qigong styles that are enjoyable and effective. Finding a qigong lao-shi, qigong teacher, is not an easy task. Although qigong is popular, the training is not standardized– I do not believe that it can or should be– and both quality and qualifications can vary immensely from teacher to teacher. There are unfortunately too many con-artists, charlatans, and magicians among our ranks, trying to impress the public with stunts of allegedly supernatural qi-power such as pushing objects without touching them. Students should apply the same standards of professional excellence to qigong teachers that they would apply to teachers of any other subject. A qigong lao-shi should be humble and compassionate and open to questioning and dialogue. He or she has not arrived at a final goal, but is rather on a never-ending quest for expanded potential and deeper understanding.
    Neigung(nei kung)- Neigong, also spelled nei kung, neigung, or nae gong, is any of a set of Chinese breathing and meditation disciplines associated with Daoism and especially the Chinese martial arts. Neigong practice is normally associated with the so called “soft style”, “internal” or nèijiā 內家 Chinese martial arts, as opposed to the category known as waigong 外功 or “external skill” which is historically associated with shaolinquan or the so called “hard style”, “external” or wà ijiā 外家 Chinese martial arts. Both have many different schools, disciplines and practices and historically there has been mutual influence between the two and distinguishing p

  2. Really just continue practicing the coordination of your breath wile performing the form. That is about the best moving meditation that your going to find. I’m sure your instructor has his own regimen of Chi Gung that he teaches. Don’t worry about the “best one” Just practice. The Chi Gung for iron palm is a little different than the Chi Gung for health, but not different enough to cause you any problems. Truth is, there are millions of ways of practicing Chi Gung. Just find a set that you are comfortable with and go for it.
    Good Luck

  3. Why do you wish to know? And what benefits can you say your current practices offer you?
    The reason I ask is this…. You can do all of the esoteric exercises you can find in books or at some online websites. You can breath through your eyelids, while standing on one foot, focusing on your heart chakra while “becoming one with The Force”.
    But until you understand the true underlying purpose of what any exercise is meant to do (and that doesn’t mean regurgitating the jargon or theories you read from a book), you aren’t doing anything more mystical than playing fantasy games with yourself that only feed an egoic desire to be “mystical”. (A kind of spiritual masturbation, if you will.)
    Master something more basic…. Learn to breath properly.

  4. The most potent Chi Gung exercise in Gods Playing the Clouds.
    There isn’t really “a most powerful nei-gung exercise” since it’s built into the Chi Gung forms, meditation and the internal martial arts (ie. Ba Gua).
    With tai chi, it depends on how you define “potent”
    If you want the best one for meditation, the Wu style long form (or short if you cannot learn the long one).
    For physical power and increased vitality, the 48 move chen style long form.
    There are literally thousands of Chi Gung forms which exist in China. They all vary in quality, but there is a very small fraction of them which are “well developed complete systems.” If you do a poorly developed one, you can get energy movements in your body which feel cool, but it’s only with a well designed one that the amazing (truely potent) things can occur.
    Forms in that category constitute a minority, both in the East and West.
    The most important thing for getting the benefit out of a form is not to have the best one though, it’s to do the thing properly. A poor form done well is often superior to an amazing form done incorrectly. As such, it’s normally preferable to just do whatever form a competent (which sadly is also rare) teacher in your area teaches.
    My own bias is that Tai Chi shouldn’t even be attempted until you learn to do a simple (movement wise) Chi Gung form enough to grasp the energy mechanics which then can be incorporated into the Tai Chi forms. Practically, I’ve seen people who did a Tai Chi form for 4 years, and people who did a Chi Gung form for 2 years followed by the Tai Chi form for a year. The people in the latter category actually were much better with the form.
    While I made the claim gods playing in the clouds is the “best” chi gung form out there, it’s also the most difficult. As a result it’s very hidden and hard to find a teacher who knows it properly (I’d guess 1/1,000,000 chi gung practicioners fit that category).
    Hence, I’d recommend a form which is not quite the “best” but is still a “real form” (and normally the first one Daoist Adepts learn). You can figure out where you want to go from there, but Opening the Energy Gates is the by far the best form to start with. Dragon and Tiger is the one I would recommend to a non adept second to that one (it’s also easier), but that one is just a medical chi gung form that gives you the ability to maintain your health, move energy through your meridian channels and control your etheric field. Energy gates goes a lot further and has more depth.
    Anyhow, there’s a book available on how to do energy gates that describes most of it in pretty good depth (also very rare for developed chi gung forms). For everything you’re asking that’s the best place to start.
    As far as websites; http://www.energyarts.com
    (and the book title is Opening the Energy Gates of Your Body).
    There is a lot of interesting stuff and useful in this field (and there are countless other amazing forms or products I could recommend to you), but for where you are, energy gates is really the answer you are asking for.
    Hope that helps, feel free to ask me anything else you want.


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