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Nature – The true "heaven" (enlightenment) within?

Jesus quote:
Luke 17:20 – And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come,
he answered them and said, “The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall
they say, ‘Lo here! or, lo there!’ for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
Jesus also said, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Light. No one comes to the father except through me.” This means he IS the way, he IS truth, he IS the light. This means he was a manifestation of these – thus, the only way to heaven (zen, enlightenment, whatever you want to call it – I call it one’s nature) is through truth, through light.
My point – Truth is within. ANYONE can be a manifestation of truth, NOT JUST JESUS. In reality, we are each a manifestation of truth, thus heaven is within.
Your comments?


  1. That doesn’t make sense. You do realize that Jesus lead a blameless life? Are you perfect? If you are then I guess you could go to Heaven and tell Jesus to scoot over cause now there are two perfect beings.
    Maybe you are not understanding the underlying claim Jesus is making. He is essentially the gatekeeper to Heaven. Doesn’t the Bible also say lean not on your own understanding? So if He is the gatekeeper He had to have been given this job by God. But Jesus’ is also making a truth claim about his Divinity. He is God, otherwise how can man be redeemed or perfected?
    Also if truth is subject to individual interpretation then doesn’t that render Christ’s sacrifice on the cross pointless? I think that God laid out in his Laws the fundamental universality of his Law. To break it is sin. If it were any other way no one would sin. Everyone would be capable of saving themselves. That defeats Christs purpose. Yet we are told that all power honor and glory have been given to the Lord Jesus the Christ, by God Himself.
    I hope that clears up any misunderstanding….

  2. wow…… amazing. You have the absolute strangest understanding of the Bible that I have ever heard of. Unfortunately, it is completely wrong…..


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