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Is there any way to summarize theurgic magic?

Possibly an ignorant question, but I learned yesterday a bit about theurgy and goetry as being effectively “white and black magic.” I did a bit of research on goerry and was able to condense the essentials into something usable in fiction, and I’m trying to do the same with theurgy. Most sources say theurgists try to unite with the infinite via the Qabalah/Tree of Life’s ten steps, but don’t say how, and then they mention a ton of things like alchemy, theosophy…I’m getting too spread out. I’m looking for layman’s basics on theurgy. E. g. I understand goetry to be more or less spirit conjuring and binding. Thanks!

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  1. Wow! You are getting into a tangled web. Any time you reach for an outside power to complete a ritual you are working in theurgic Magick.
    Simple Magick, such as sympathetic Magick is not in any way theurgic. Talents, as in empaths or spirit sensitives is not either.
    In the 16th century Goetry was only mentioned in use of necromancy. The Ceremonial Magick introduced in the late 19th century has caused a lot of confusion. Being a mixture of Christianity and Classic Magickal working it is outside the the reference books and English dictionaries that are based in Christian countries.

  2. Thaumaturgic magic is direct, and based on the properties inherent in the natural world. It is done by directly and consciously hitting something with “juice”, or energy. That can be your own personal energy, or it can be drawn from the cosmos, but it is always consciously directed towards a specific goal. Usually, the accompanying visualizations or words are clear and direct as well, such as “Open!” or “Stay!” or “Attract wealth to me!” Visual patterns used are representational of the goal, even if only symbolically; for example, if you’re drawing a binding spell, you might use the figure of a knot or chain. If you’re doing it physically, you’d actually tie knots in a piece of string or cord.
    When you use props and tools for thaumaturgic magic, you use the inherent natural qualities of those things. For example, a stone undeniably has the qualities of “solidness”and “endurance”, so it could be used in magical work for gaining those qualities. A piece of clear quartz would have those qualities plus “clarity”; a sharp-edged stone would add “sharpness”, and so forth. A strawberry might have the quality of “sweetness” to magically call on, as well as being close to the earth. A dropped feather from a bird has once flown through the air, and would be useful for invoking mental flight, or lightness. And so forth.
    Thaumaturgic magic, as I’ve said, is very conscious, because if you can’t feel it, you can’t hit your target. It can be done with the unconscious mind – and I’ve known some people who were just not naturally good at feeling energy, so they trained themselves to do it unconsciously – but some part of you is actually handling the “juice” and sending it out to do its carefully directed job. The good thing about thaumaturgic magic is that you don’t have to know a lot of lore to do it. You also don’t have to know anything about religion, or deities, or how people lived long ago. People who are very scientifically minded can do it, because it only requires a keen observation of the natural world. One of the drawbacks, however, is that it requires focus and concentration, and if you’re hysterical or otherwise in a mood where that’s impossible, your spell may not work. Another drawback is that it falls down somewhat when doing pathworking, as I’ll get back to in a moment.
    Theurgic magic is entirely different. Imagine that the universe – our world and many layers of other worlds – is crisscrossed by a giant web of energy that binds it all together. The thought and intent of people from all worlds travels back and forth across this web. Some strands of the web get so much intent traveling down them that they develop grooves, shallow to deep depending on how much use they get. The intent of deities makes very large grooves. A group of people can get together and create a new groove with their combined intent. Myths are grooves like this; people reenact them over and over again, often without realizing it. So are stories, songs, chants, symbols, words of power, and spells.
    When we say an old spell, or sing an old song, or use an old symbol, or enact a myth, we fall into that groove and slide along it to its end….unless something goes wrong and knocks us out of it. It takes very little energy to do this; usually only enough to connect with the groove, and then its own energy takes over and carries your intent to its end. Sometimes you may have to push it along if it stalls out for some reason, and of course you can feed it more of your own energy to make it move faster along the groove, so to speak, and thus have a bigger impact at the end, but in general theurgic magic takes less energy than thaumaturgic. The other side of that coin, however, is that it doesn’t always work, because there are a variety of reasons why you can get tipped out of the groove, or more likely, miss it entirely. For beginners who are working with old spells, I’d give it a 50/50 chance of working at best.
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  3. Good for you, doing your own research! Also, good job on going to wikipedia. It makes my job easier!
    One website says this, “Theurgic magic is entirely different. Imagine that the universe – our world and many layers of other worlds – is crisscrossed by a giant web of energy that binds it all together. The thought and intent of people from all worlds travels back and forth across this web. Some strands of the web get so much intent traveling down them that they develop grooves, shallow to deep depending on how much use they get. The intent of deities makes very large grooves. A group of people can get together and create a new groove with their combined intent. Myths are grooves like this; people reenact them over and over again, often without realizing it. So are stories, songs, chants, symbols, words of power, and spells.”
    That sounds pretty cool, right? And if you can understand that other document, you’ve earned my respect.
    Caio!

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