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Is the Bible talking about enlightenment as being Heaven, and hell is the pain we already experience?

It may sound weird, but when you interpret the words true to thier original meaning, and then you view it in the sense of spriitualism and spiritual awakening (or enlightenment) – the metaphors make much more sense and fit in with the views of Eastern philosophy.
I think that alot of Churches are teaching the wrong interpretation of the Bible because other interpretations will mean they loose “control” over their followers.
For example, the word “sin” means “to miss” in term of an arrow to a target. So it means that we misunderstand God. As opposed to some actual thing that is “carried” with us like a disease.
Before i have to battle any raging Christian “believers” – all i have to say is that:
The meek shall inherit the earth.
I ask a question to see how others think, not test to see how they react. This is not a contest of intellect, i might pick a right answer that disagrees with what i said if i think it has a better reasoning and was written from the heart.
My idea came from a writer called Eckhart Tolle, who mentions this idea in his book called “A New Earth.” He mentions the idea of the original interpretations of sensitive words in the bible such as the word “sin.”


  1. Yeah, I have thought of this concept as well.
    I guess it’s possible. I think many Christians take the Bible way too literally.

  2. Well, you could be right on this one. I think you must truly have an understanding of the bible. The only problem with that idea is the fact that it’s hard to assume that when there is still supposedly a life after death waiting for christians. Yes, there are no mentions of it in the bible but you have to be careful saying this to christians when most believe that a litteral Christ exist and will come back again in the “second return.” I honestly think you could have a great idea, but the criticism of the church could stop you.

  3. u should become a preacher… i didnt know sin meant miss .which now alot more sense .then just being evil,bad,heathen,..the list could go on .. but yeah u have a good message dont waste it ..

  4. the bible is talking a language that is long misunderstood , its not some secret code…its someones attempt to give life itself a voice..from what I gather anyway.

  5. No – the Bible talks in several places about Hell being an actual place.
    Here are some examples from the New Testament:
    Matthew 5:29
    Mark 9:45
    Luke 12:5
    2 Peter 2:4

  6. It is an interesting idea. After all, Christianity is a middle-eastern religion. I think however that the far eastern notion of enlightenment does not fit however.
    Enlightenment makes sense when you have many lifetimes and therefore many situations to experience to overcome you desire to sin. So in one lifetime, over coming sin may have been especially difficult given your circumstances. Perhaps your parents are thieves by profession. Another life may find you with little desire to sin because all your needs and wants are fulfilled. In one sense, enlightenment is understanding how there is no difference between the two.
    In Christianity there is no notion of reincarnation and this makes enlightenment a tough proposition. Do we honestly expect a Hindu child, raised by Hindu parents in a Hindu society to come to terms with a God that no one has ever told him about?
    In addition, enlightenment is not for everyone. Enlightenment is only for those who have come to understand something crucial, usually after a lifetime of meditation, which itself is after many lifetimes of experience.
    Heaven is for everyone who accepts Christ, regardless of their understanding. I get particularly annoyed by religious scholars who spend decades trying to unearth the ‘secrets’ of the bible. They forget that Christ spoke to the people in parables because The Word was for everyone, learned or not.
    Your point that original meanings of words and phrases have been lost or ignored is a good one, and certainly if religion where strictly a personal affair churches would be out of business. I think, however, that Christianity does not really cater to the notion of enlightenment. After all, we got chucked out of the garden for eating of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

  7. When you say true to their original meaning am I right in supposing that you know Koine Greek? And Secondly, why are we to assume Christianity must have its roots in eastern philosophy and cannot possibly be based on the actual experiences of the apostles themselves (see 1 John 1:1-4)? Yes, thought of hell is not something that comforts me. If I spend enough time thinking about it it makes me want to cry and redouble my efforts to evangelize. Here some thoughts: Not everything that scares us is automatically bad. When I was in high school a Nurse from the ER of a local hospital came and gave a talk about the importance of everyone (adults and teens) wearing their seatbelts. She proceeded to shows many graphic and bloody slides of young people who were in accidents under 40 miles per hour. You would not believe what a windshield will do to your face at just 10 miles an hour without a seatbealt. The presentation left a lasting impression on me to always wear my seatbelt since I did not what to entertain the possibility that it could happen to me as well. In the same token if the traditional Catholic and Protestant concept of hell as a real place of concious suffering is real we should logically do everything possible to avoid it. If you read the early church fathers as far back as Polycarp (a disciple of the apsotle John) the concept of Hell as a place of concious suffering is clearly there. So, even if we metaphorize everthing that Jesus said in the Gospels we have to deal with what the unnamious testimony of the early church fathers. There is not sufficient enough time between the apsotles and the early church father to “corrupt” the teaching on hell into something that was never originally taught and only used as a scare tactic. Neither is there any concrete evidence that the NT manuscripts were corrupted to provide fodder for Dante’s “Inferno.” Fear in many instances keeps us alive in order to live productive and healthy lives even if you are not a Christian. Aren’t you afraid of getting a heart attack, a victim of crime, or getting AIDS? And far as your comment about the meek inheriting the earth Why does this mean that a person can’t disagree with you without being meek? Really, is there any pride here? And if there is why ask the question in the first place and temp Christians? What do are we to do with Peter’s Sermon in Acts 2 or what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:8-10 about the fate of unbelievers?\
    I also love your rendering of the term “sin” totally divorced of it context. What about 1 John 3:4 “Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.” The apostle John would disagree with you that sin is merely misunderstanding God.

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