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Is it still considered 'lucid dreaming' if it is one step removed from the actual sleeper?

Lucid dreaming is common and I do it a lot. But recently I’ve begun dreaming — that I’m having lucid dreams (if that makes sense). The ‘focal person’ of my dream — the dream ‘me’ — is asleep and having a lucid dream which they (not me) are controlling. So, is that still lucid dreaming?
I tried for ‘Dream Interpretation’ but YA wanted Psychology — oh, well!


  1. I believe it is. A lucid dream is a dream in which the sleeper is aware that he or she is dreaming. When the dreamer is lucid, he or she can actively participate in and often manipulate the imaginary experiences in the dream environment. Lucid dreams can seem extremely real and vivid depending on a person’s level of self-awareness during the lucid dream.
    A lucid dream can begin in one of three ways. A dream-initiated lucid dream (DILD) starts as a normal dream, and the dreamer eventually concludes that he or she is dreaming, while a wake-initiated lucid dream (WILD) occurs when the dreamer goes from a normal waking state directly into a dream state with no apparent lapse in consciousness. A mnemonic-initiated lucid dream (MILD) can happen when the dreamer intentionally affirms to himself or herself that he or she will become lucid during the upcoming sleep. Reaching lucidity can sometimes occur due to dream-signs or spontaneously upon remembrance.
    Lucid dreaming has been researched scientifically, and its existence is well established. Scientists such as Allan Hobson, with his neurophysiological approach to dream research, have helped to push the understanding of lucid dreaming into a less speculative realm.
    Reality testing (or reality checking) is a common method used by people to determine whether or not they are dreaming. It involves performing an action and observing if the results are consistent with results which would be expected in a state of wakefulness. By practicing these tests during waking life, one may eventually decide to perform such a test while dreaming, which may fail and let the dreamer realize that they are dreaming.
    The hand reality check: The dreamer looks at their hands and they may appear to have more or less than five fingers.
    The nose reality check: The dreamer pinches their nose shut and if they are able to breathe without using their nose, it is a dream.
    Sticking one’s finger through the palm of one’s hand.
    Looking at one’s digital watch (remembering the time), looking away, and looking back. As with text, the time will probably have changed randomly and radically at the second glance or contain strange letters and characters. (Analog watches do not usually change in dreams, while digital watches and clocks have a great tendency to do so.) A digital watch or clock may feature strange characters or the numbers all out of order.
    Flipping a light switch. Light levels rarely change as a result of the switch flipping in dreams.
    Looking into a mirror; in dreams, reflections from a mirror often appear to be blurred, distorted, incorrect, or frightening.
    Looking at the ground beneath one’s feet or at one’s hands. If one does this within a dream the difference in appearance of the ground or one’s hands from the normal waking state is often enough to alert the conscious to the dream state.
    If you listen to music while you sleep, listen to see if the lyrics are changed or if the tempo (or speed) of the song changes.
    A more precise form of reality testing involves examining the properties of dream objects to judge their apparent reality. Some lucid dreamers report that dream objects when examined closely have all the sensory properties, stability, and detail of objects in the physical world. Such detailed observation relates to whether mental objects and environments could effectively act as substitutes for the physical environments with the dreamer unable to see significant differences between the two. This has implications for those who claim there is a spiritual or supernatural world that might be accessible through out of body experience or after death.

  2. Lucid Dreaming
    Consider this: if the average person spends 8 hours a day sleeping, and lives an average life of about 75 years, then he or she has slept nearly 25 years of her life away. Can we get more out of all those years than just rest? With lucid dreaming that’s a very real possibility, but before being able to control your dreams you have to be able to recognize that you are dreaming. Once you are aware you are dreaming you can alter your dreams and dictate what happens: you can do anything you’ve ever wanted, go anywhere you’ve ever desired!
    Lucid dreaming can be a lot of fun, but there are also many practical reasons to experiment with lucidity. You can use components of lucid dreaming to aid in dream recall, to provide you an opportunity to deeply explore your dreams or even your own personality. Have you ever gone to bed right after performing a difficult task for the first time and found you are still thinking about that task, even in your sleep? Our dreams can be a key part of how we learn. Imagine if you could actively direct that learning.
    Before Proceeding
    Lucid dreaming can take time to master, one must be careful not to allow an attitude of impatience to infiltrate your dream life. This could have a detrimental effect on something intended to keep you healthy and clear-headed. Proceed slowly and don’t use too much force when experimenting with lucid dreams. Take breaks from trying if things get too intense. If you find yourself feeling excessively tired after attempting to lucid dream, you might want to limit your attempts to weekends only. Regardless, so long as you heed these warnings you have nothing to fear: lucid dreaming is completely safe if used responsibly. Sleep is not The Matrix: no matter how bad things go in your dreams, your mind won’t shut down your body.

  3. There are other forces who penetrate our being conscious or not. They can dominate the context and content, where we have no control until we awaken from the dream.
    This can be very real and frightening. You feel totally helpless.
    The only way I have found to rid myself of these particular dreams is through ‘prayer’.
    Prayer works! 😀


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