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Is indifference, as in apathy, a prerequisite to spiritual awakening?

Realizing desire is one of the binding aspects of ego attachment and in that the awakened state is free of the influence of ego karmic repercussions, how can one reconcile compassion with indifference?
I am dealing with this at a critical time in this spiritual journey. I give no thumbs down but expect my commentary on what I don’t understand.
Thank you in advance for all your help.
Sunman,

I always appreciate your answers and learn much from them. Sometimes they lead to more unanswered questions…which is good.
I see compassion as a half note above love but have its roots in it. Love has a need and an identity in it whereas compassion is for others which fulfill a desire also. Indifference has neither. To repeatedly create karma in the name of desire seems not conducive to a non ego state wherein an action-less action takes place. Karma knows not good or bad it only responds in kind in constant creation. When no one is at home repercussions have not a place to go.
Zsolt H,

Misunderstanding certainly does runs deep concerning ego desire and the purpose in life. You are right we should not try to kill or suppress an ego when we need to recognize it as only an idea so it can drop on its own accord. Constant observation is a beginning. The trick is to observe without desire. As the enlightened Buddha said, “desire is the cause of all suffering”. It makes no difference if its desire for God or desire for love, desire is desire! Maharishi Mahesh yogi said, “Mankind’s inability to fulfill their desires creates suffering”. He also went on to say one purpose of life is the expansion of happiness.
Cosmic Kiss,

Thank you so very much for your time and effort offering such a beautiful point of view and advice. I find it quite pleasant but very exoteric. My attention and interest is more of an esoteric nature. How do you obtain Divine Indifference when separation exists between the ego personality and the divine? It sounds rather contradictory.
My practice of inner vision, as is with the ancient Rishi in history, explores the kingdom within. In deep meditation witnessing bodies both subtle and gross without mind identity is quite fundamental. Awareness in consciousness reveals no such thing as soul. When awareness transcends the relative field of Being, consciousness is left behind and upon return to everyday conscious life, life, is found to be filled with peace, harmony and joy.
Dark Te,

Such a pleasure to hear from such an astute observer.
This natural symbiosis you speak of seems complementary when the lion pounces upon its meal of the day. In my mind, compassion is divided between the meal and the lion. (let it be) Is there a justification element when considering compassion? If so, would justification hold true when not interfering with possible karmic action by remaining indifferent? Tough path to tread.
Perhaps redressing values and bringing balance lies in being a bridge by contributing known techniques of elevating levels of consciousness. The higher they climb the further they see.
Thank you for sharing your light.

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Asha Rishi Yogi
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Observation within silence without the activity of perception is the only prerequisite to an awaken state. The sleepwalker sees the world of duality and separates from it. Seeing the opposites in all of their experiences such as up down, love hate, positive negative they react to their environment with hast of thinking. I am here and creation is there. Much must be understood. Mind is emptiness until a light wave or object of perception manifests as thoughts. Thought and mind become one and the same. The identity of the self that is clothed in the mind creates experience. Experience alone… Read more »

Dark Te
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The truly commpassionate are indeed less likely to act I have found an impasse here too. I beleive that having the compasion to leave the fever and fret of the desirous modern life, that one feel essentially does not concern you, well alone, is pure and beautiful and it must be noted to ‘let it be’ is not pure apathy though it is a natural symbiosis with the world around you. however….. I see a vast amount of problem from the effect of those who do not ‘let it be’. If the path of pure compassion had been the way… Read more »

Blue Diamond
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I don’t know…
and I don’t care.

(egoically free of karmic repercussions).

apho
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My heart burns like fire but my eyes are as cold as dead ashes.
-Sayen Shaku

CosmicKiss
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Hi there, Hopefully you won’t mind if I write quite a bit in response to your query. It’s an important question and one frequently misunderstood. I prefer the term ‘divine indifference’ to differentiate what we’re striving to obtain from apathy or being indifferent to the suffering of others. Divine indifference encompasses compassion while utilizing wisdom and understanding of a bigger picture than what the personality/ego views. Apathy is not caring which is basically a selfish character flaw. Divine indifference is a selfless caring. Some quotes from a few different books: …divine indifference changes or shifts the present almost too violent… Read more »

Zsolt H
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One of the greatest misunderstandings about spirituality is that we have to suppress, or kill our egos, desires. We are incapable of doing so, as our desires are our very substance, we simply cannot get rid of our substance. We can see it in our physical life too, where people try to leave some bad habits behind, and they are incapable of doing so. So the desires remain, what we need to do in spirituality is to change their direction, the intention we use those desires with. We have to change the intention form the “for my own sake” to… Read more »

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I think this “indifference” is not a suitable word for that situation. For me the requirement should be like when all your desires confine to only one target that is to find what the truth is. So it is not about finishing the desires, it’s like winding the desire or more clearly we can say that it’s like focusing the desire and efforts only on the one and the most important target. Being desireless is also a kind of desire but a good kind of desire. creation is also the work and part of creator. So neglecting it is not… Read more »

Sunman
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No, but compassion is a prerequisite for enlightenment.

at best, sustained apathy will most likely lead to situations where you end up at the mercy of others and they don’t give a damn.

have you ever been stranded at the side of a road and no one cares enough to help you out?

(why don’t you ask what the prerequisites for awakening are?)

Suicidal For Life
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Suicidal For Life

The only pre-requisite to a Spiritual Awakening is for a person to be willing to beleive in a power greater than themselves.

The best binding aspects are grains and cereals.

The ego is attached by a person’s inability to humble themselves and to realize that Karma will get you- maybe later, maybe sooner, but it will get you.