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Is God a Christian or Is he a universal God?

God created all of humanity. He guided different nations at different times to help them out. When some Christians say that they are sinful and yet by accepting Jesus their sins are forgiven and salvation is achieved, isnt that the very feeling Jesus Christ came to destroy. The pharisee like thinking very self righteousness was mountful and blaming others in arrogance was common. How come the same Christians are easier on their own sins and angry at others for their sins? What if Ego and Duality has no value in the spiritual world? So why not be heedful and pray to God for true guidance? Why not question ourselves of why we cant be humble, loving, truthful, happy and forgiving like Jesus of Nazareth?

Peace and Love to all of you. Thanks in advance for your answers!

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  • You will find all the answers of your questions from within bible, starting from whether you should question everything or just believe because you have been told to believe.

    Blind belief is dangerous and destructive!. Bible tells us to prove things.
    (I Thessalonians 5:21): “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”

    The teachings of the Church contradict the teachings of Jesus (pbuh) and that is the cause of the confusion. If a sincere christian who wants to follow Jesus, asks priests about trinity, the answer that he gets is “It is a Mystery, not explained by Jesus clearly”, at that time again those forget that Jesus said,

    “I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where the Jews always meet, and in secret I have said nothing” (John 18:20 (NKJ)).
    There was no mystery in the message of Jesus, nothing secret. Will you accept the priests’ so called “mystery of trinity” and forget clear commandments of Jesus? Trinity or divinity of Jesus to be anywhere close to basis of chritain faith would have to be there in bible in clear words in any even one book of bible, with Jesus saying I am God, worship me, which is not. Doesn’t it mean something to you.
    Jesus clearly said:

    A) Mark 12:29: “the Lord our God, the lord is One”.
    B) Metthew: 26:39: “He went a little farther and fell on His face and prayed” (Following Jesus way is following what he did). Jesus prayed to one God
    C) Matthew 4:10 “You shall worship the Lord, your God, and him only you shall serve”
    D) John 14:28 reads– ” You heard that I said to you,I am going away and i am coming back to you. If you loved me , you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father,BECAUSE THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM”
    E) Mark 13:32: “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”
    F) John 5:19: “Most truly I say to you, the son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative but only what he beholds the father doing.”
    G) Matthew 19:17. “And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.”

    H) Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
    John 7:16

    What if Jesus were to ask these questions to you today:
    Question 1. Why did u address your devotions to me instead it should have been to true God? Did I ever direct u to do it, or porpose myself as an object of religious worship?

    Question 2 . When my disciples requested me to teach them to pray(Luke 11: 1-2),did I teach them to pray to myself or to any person but Father?

    The trinity is a doctrine from about the year 325 AD, It has its roots in polytheism, pagan religion, and pagan philosophy (most probably added to christianity by humans to make it more acceptable to worshippers of more than one God). It is not in the bible unless you really, really stretch it to fit.

    The New Catholic Encyclopedia – 1967, VOL. XIV, PAGE 299:

    The formulation “one God in three Persons” was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, PRIOR TO THE END OF THE 4TH CENTURY. But it is precisely this formulation that first claimed to title “The Trinitarian Dogma. AMONG THE APOSTOLIC FATHERS, THERE HAD BEEN NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY APPROACHING SUCH A MENTALITY OR PERSPECTIVE.

    Indeed! He had already prophesied that people will worship him uselessly and will believe in doctrines not made by God but by men. (Matthew 15:9):
    “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”

    Men make all doctrines of modern Christianity: the Trinity, Divine Sonship of Jesus, Divinity of Jesus Christ, Original Sin and Atonement.

    You should not accept the word “son” literally . Word “son” was used in bible for general human beings and other prophets also. “we all are the children of father in heavens” indicates that word “son” was used in different meaning of love and care.

    Mathew: 5:9. “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.”

    Exodus 4:22.
    “And thou (Moses) shalt say unto Pharaoh, thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn.”

    The belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is gurarenteed for believers of Jesus, and now actions do not have to fall in line with our faith, is not what Jesus preached clearly. It contradicts with interpretations and additions done by scribes/ historians centuries after Jesus:

    Matt 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness (your uprightness and your right standing with God) is more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    There is no guranteed heaven for anyone, this life is a test, whether you pass and enter heaven or fail,.

    Jesus said, “I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matthew 16:19)

    Jesus, Moses, Mohammad (p.b.u.h), they all worshiped the same God, the God of Ibrahim. All prophets taught “surrendering one’s will to God” that is the meaning of word “Islam”. Word “christianity” did not exist at the time of Christ, but you will find Jesus teachings to be “surrender your will to God” in bible many times.

    JAMES 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

    Mohammad (peace be upon him) was also a messenger of God, who never claimed to be God, the same way Jesus or Moses never claimed to be God, nor did they ever say worship me. Bible confirms the coming of another true prophet as:

    “The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.”
    [Bible – John 14:26]

    If only the genuine followers of Jesus, who truly love him, read the Bible in context, and study the Qur’an, they will definitely reach the conclusion that GOD IS ONE, without any partners; and Jesus (pbuh) the son of Mary (pbuh) is a messenger of GOD!

    Muslims love Jesus, they believe in his miraculous birth with the will of God without a father or sexual act (the way Adam was born without a mother and father), , they believe in miracles that Jesus performed with permission of God, muslims faith demands them to believe Jesus was a great prophet of God and belief in the original message of Jesus the massaya.

    Muslims feel closer to the sincere Christians than to the Jews, or the idol worshippers and the atheists.

    The Qur’an clearly says in Surah.5:v 82: “Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who are muslims (to be) the Jews and the idolators. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe; those who say: Lo! We are Christians. This is because there are among them priests and monks (i.e. persons entirely devoted to the service of God, as are the muslims) and because they are not proud.”

    Qur’an, revealed to the Prophet Muhammed some 600 years after Jesus, (pbut) corrects the errors that crept (knowingly or unknowingly) into the message that Jesus brought. This book should prove to be a very valuable asset to both Muslims and Christians

    The Holy Qur’an warns in Surah 5:73& 74: “They do blaspheme who say, Allah is Christ the son of Mary. But said Christ: O’ Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever joins other gods with Allah- Allah will forbid him the garden, (i.e. paradise) and the fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong doers, be no one to help”. “Surely they are disbelievers, those who say: Allah is one of the three in a Trinity: But there is none who has the right to be worshiped but one God (i.e. Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them”.

    Verily Allah will never change the condition of a people until they change themselves.” (Surah ar-Ra’d Chapter 13, verse 11)

    Decide whether you love Jesus and want to follow his clear words and be saved, or love other human beings who gave different meaning to his original words.
    Does this answer some of your questions?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N48Ymna9q8k
    Find out the truth:
    http://www.sultan.org/books/
    muslimchristianialogue.pdf

  • so one question if Jesus was God and you have to believe on him as God ..(i do believe on Jesus as a Prophet) if you don’t you can’t go to heaven that is what Christians said … tell me people who die before Jesus was born how came they go to heaven … God say he send a Prophet for all the community but people just change their words…

  • Christianity gets alot of bad press because of the actions of people who say they are christian. For example, everyone attributes the crusades to christians. I don’t. That was just a bunch of catholics who were probably not “born again in the spirit” like Jesus told Nicodemus he must be, and therefore nothing more than catholics.

    We all assume that most of our mainline religions are christian. And we are all wrong. There is a reason why the road to hell is so wide and easy to find, as the multitudes travel it. Christianity comes in individual sizes only. No such thing as christian religions, families, or nations. Be born again in the spirit….then you are a christian.

    Jesus came to die for our sins. That was His sole purpose in being born. The judaic law requires a spotless sacrifice for the atonement of sin. Jesus is the “Lamb that takes away the sins of the world”. And there weren’t any christians until Christ. How could there be?

    “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory that is God”. This includes you and I but indeed I am forgiven because I have been born again. Do I have an ego problem…..I doubt it as I am very, very grateful for God’s salvation plan. We can’t earn our way in because salvation is “not of works, lest any man should boast.”

    If you find real honest to goodness christians acting like you suggested then they are either very young, new christians and haven’t matured yet or not christian at all. Christianity is a work in progress. For some of us it took a long time to develop bad habits and it takes time for all that stuff to drop off. Usually we have trials and tribulations before any success.

  • 1) If i were to program in C Language a very COMPLEX program, but forgot to end the program with a ; (semi-colon)
    Will it work???

    If i leave it for a million years, and NOBODY is allowed to TOUCH it, will it AUTOMATICALLY EVOLVE a semicolon and start executing itself?

    2) Human beings ‘design’ and ‘fabricate’ things, which DONT EVOLVE by themselves. The CAR did NOT evolve from the Bike… The Rocket did NOT evolve from the Aeroplane. Each time we invented something, there was great ‘design’, precise ‘engineering’ and accurate ‘calculations’ involved’.

    Will these EVOLVE by themselves, if there was NO CAUSE that initiated it?

    THE CAUSE HERE IS THE HUMAN MIND, THE HUMAN TOUCH OR IN SHORT AN EXTERNAL ‘CREATOR’ WHO IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CREATIONS.

    The Entire Universe, without a CREATOR???

    Almighty GOD is ONE, call HIM by any name. But it should be a Beautiful one WITHOUT any Mental picture.

    What we say that there is ONE GOD means HE is the same GOD for Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Athiests, Buddhists and all mankind.

    Because GOD is ONE and for all mankind.

    Therefore, if you say ALLAH, ELI, ELIAH, BRAHMA, all refer to GOD. We can best understand this from the Hindu Scripture example.

    Hindus say GOD is Brahma. Which if translated into English means ‘The Creator’ and if translated into Arabic means ‘Khaliq’

    Therefore if you call Almighty GOD as ‘The Creator’ OR ‘Khaliq’ OR ‘Brahma’ it is ONE and the SAME.

    BUT…

    The trouble arises when the Hindus ascribe features to GOD that are NOT worthy for GOD. For example, they say Brahma is the GOD who has 10 heads, so and so hands, etc…

    And this goes against the fundamentals of Islam, Judaism and Christianity (As per the Gospel of Barnabas) and even True Hinduism itself (Vedas are against this)…

    Therefore, All religions speak about Monotheism BUT the True essence of Monotheism has now remained in Islam only as…

    1. The Church has fabricated the Trinity and mis-lead the Chirstians from the True message of Jesus Christ (Peace Be Upon Him)

    2. The Hindus do NOT read the Vedas and practice Idol worship which is against their own scriptures.

    Ponder on GOD’s various creations…

    Does it NOT need a Creator?

    Notice ‘a’ Creator… Because if it were 2 they would have definitely disagreed on something and such a disagreement will mean DEATH for all Creation… As they would fight and destroy things…

    So what do you think about 3,4,5… 1000s Creators??? Is is feasible???

    NO Organization can survive on 2 Final Authorities… The ENTIRE UNIVERSE surviving on 3, 1000s such so-called GODs???

    Therefore, your heart will come to the conclusion that there is ONLY ONE GOD…

    Can the CREATOR be similar to HIS Creation???

    If we ascribe him human features, why cant HE be like a Dog or a rat???

    Therefore, we have to accept that the CREATOR is NOT like HIS creation…

    What does this CREATOR want from us???

    Of course, the CREATOR wants us to 100% submit ourselves to HIS command…

    Why???

    If you dont follow the instructions of the designer of your TV, you will misuse it and spoil it…

    THis CREATOR has the right to demand us to accept what HE asks us to do and what not to…

    So follow HIS instruction manual which HE sent throughout the ages to guide mankind…

    HE sent this message to Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jesus Christ, Moses (Peace Be Upon Them All)….

    Each time HE sent a message, it was for a limited time and ONLY for those people… Till he sent the Last and Final Message that CONFIRMED the Authenticity of all the previous revelations and laid the foundation of moral, ethical, spiritual society…

    The call to accept self-responsibility of your sins and be accountable for that…

    The call towards REAL salvation…

    The Last and Final Message of GOD…

    The Holy Quran – 100% compatible with Modern Established Scientific facts…

  • God is an idea… created to act as an organizing moral principle… god is no longer needs, as society and culture now act to uphold morality… god, indeed, is dead (as Nietzsche said).

    Interesting question.

  • God must be universal, or multiple.

    The Bible says Jesus was righteous. The Bible is the word of God Himself, and therefore cannot be wrong. The Trinity, therefore is invented as a tool to disprove God’s word.

    If the Trinity was true then the only reason why we would believe Jesus was righteous would be because He Himself said it. It’s like me saying to you ‘I’m Superman’, and you believing it just like that.

    We should all spare some time for self questioning. It opens previously unexplored avenues of thought for us, and brings us ever close to finding our own place in life. We will never know the full story of who we are until we do it.

    Today I have been doing this. I am technically one of the less rude atheists, and I have spent the entirety of today so far as an honorary Christian. Doing the same as what I see around me as typical Christian things. However I cheated a little, because on some answers I’ve blended it in with how I really see life, and offered up the median.

    ((((hugs))))

    LB, Christian for the day

  • there are so many people before the time of Jesus that passed a way with out knowing who this Jesus is, there are people alive in present day who don’t know about jesus. So how can he be a Universal god? That is why I believe he is not God, but a prophet of god who came to this world teaching us about God.

    “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.”
    [The Bible, John 17:3]
    (v) “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
    [The Bible, John 5:30]
    There are many many other verses like this in the bible, that show that jesus was a man, a prophet sent from God.

    I do believe that God is a universal god because if you sit and ponder, really think about this world you will come to a conclusion that there is a higher power, and that higher power is god. A Universal God.

  • Jesus was a Jew, he never stepped foot in a church in his lifetime. According to the Hebrew Bible, God chose the nation of Israel, over other nations. He even ordered Israel on several occassions, to commit genocide. One such example is Joshua Chapter 6, where Israel was ordered to murder all the babies, mothers, children, animals, and men, in Jericho. God also commits genocide in the book of Exodus, I would say that every first born boy in Egypt was not “evil”.

    There are things in the Bible many people love, but there are things in the Bible quite contrary to the love and peace you are discussing in your question. Deuteronomy 22, and the bible as a whole, claim that rape is not a sin (unless of course you rape a married woman, that is adultery.) There are some ugly things in the Bible.

    Jews in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) are never once commanded to evangelize. Judaism is a tribal religion, and Jews do not go door to door to evangelize, nor do they do so on the internet. On this yahoo forum, it is Xians and muslims posting evangelical threads. Yahweh is the Hebrew god, not the god of humanity. yahweh said that he was the only god, and to worship no other. By definition, since Yahweh says he is one (Deut 6) and not trinity (tri-unity) then worshipping Jesus is worshipping another god.

    Who am I to forgive a few trigger happy rawandans for killing en masse their own countrymen? They haven’t sinned against me. Is it really healthy to forgive? My family lives in Germany, and we are Sachsens (Saxons). I have traced my geneaology back 1200 years, and I can prove that Charlemagnes Massacre at Verden was of some of my own family members. Charlemagne beheaded 4,500 saxons for returning to paganism, after forced baptism. Should I forget this act? Forgive? Charlemagne is dead. I have forgiven, but I do not forget things like Sept 11, nor should we ever. If we do, we will not be able to prevent such again.

    Forgiveness and Forgetting at times is for the weak. certain things, are unforgivalbe, and the actions of Theists for Allah/Yahweh/Jesus, are often that which we cannot tolerate in todays world. Yes, I beleive in peace, but throughout history, the actions of the religious have proven that religion leads to quite unpeaceful behaviors and actions…

  • If you believe the Bible, then you believe in Jesus Christ, and the definition of a Christian is “Follower of Christ”..

    Christ said, “Don’t judge, for the measure you judge others with, you will be judged” and He also says in the book of Matthew chapter 5 & 6 (I suggest you read them, you’ll feel better about Jesus and God if you do,rather than what “antichrist people” have to say).
    As I was saying, as Jesus says in Matthew, to first take the plank out of our own eyes before we go telling others about their sins… and so,
    yes, sadly, a lot of Christians judge others, when they should be looking at the plank in their own eyes… those Chrisitians who do judge, obviously aren’t reading the Bible….

    However, when preachers preach against “homosexuality”, still, what they say is true.. .according to the Bible, it is wrong, because it goes against what God wanted for us, even though it may feel “natural”… jealousy, envy, desire for earthly wealth (ie: greed), all these are “natural” too, it doesn’t mean that we have to give into these desires.. we must fight, and Jesus says to pray always, so that we don’t fall into temptation, and to “cut off your right hand if it causes you to sin” in other words, if you know hanging out with a certain crowd will make you sin, then don’t hang out with them, in a sense “cut off” that group… so that you don’t sin.. He was using an analogy…
    If the pharisees existed in Bible times, of course, they exist today, there’s no getting rid of them… we must just follow Christ and do as He said, and don’t judge, just confess our sins to God daily, and the Bible says, He will forgive us, but we must always strive daily to do the right thing.

  • very true very true. i hate ppl who think they got God by their side and their superior. geez i got God by my side too why dont they shut up.

  • christian means christ like.
    Christ is God, hence God is Christ.
    therefore God is Christ like.
    IE: God is christian

  • Jesus is God

    Salvation is a free gift! You can’t work your way into heaven. The truth is that the Bible makes how to go to heaven clear and easy. The only way to be saved and go to heaven and not the eternal lake of fire is by believing in this life that Jesus, who is God, died for our sins on the cross and rose again (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Believe this and you are saved!

    Pray right now and ask Jesus to forgive your sins, and thank Him for eternal life and that you will be in heaven with Him forever when you die 🙂

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