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Is ego a product of our consciousness or conditioning?

Or something else?

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  1. Ego…hm…
    Well, in the freudian sense, I suppose the ego would be more conditioning than consciousness, as opposed to the id … (unless I’ve been misunderstanding the concepts of id, ego, and superego) Considering it is the one that controls the id by factoring in the needs of the superego, the ego would probably be more socially conditioned. It, while still influenced by natural human desires, fits those desires into a socially acceptable outlet.
    So … seeing as how most people care more about image, reputation, and social roles, thus repressing the id, I’d say the superego is more in charge (at least in the Western world). Therefore, I’d hazard the guess that the ego is more inclined to agree with the social aspects of the superego, meaning it conforms more to conditioning than conscious.
    or maybe that’s BS.
    But that’s my guess 🙂

  2. Greetings Celtic Peace!
    Ego can be viewed as a product of manifest consciousness and is universal, cosmic in nature. However, it is within the human organism that ego functions, and man alone has the innate potential to understand the ego. That said, only a rare one inquires into the nature of the ego, therefore living life firmly immersed in the ego, it’s identities, concepts and motives. Ego is responsible for the sense “I am”, the feeling “I exist”. The pure and initial sense “I am” ultimately has no conditioning. It has no gender, nor thoughts of it’s own, no associations, memories, emotions etc..From the time of infancy parental and societal conditioning begins. Thus “I am” gradually becomes a perceived separate individual, and begins learning subjective concepts and worldly knowledge. It is the ego’s conditioning from the parents and various life experiences, including interpersonal relationships which influence how the ego functions in the world. The ego in association with the mind and senses develops a unique personality subject to it’s own idiosyncrasy, that is, it’s likes/dislikes, joys/sorrows, worries and fears etc… Ego is very much responsible for the perception of duality, a perceived individual acting in the world on it’s own accord.
    For one who has awakened the subtle faculty awareness, the ethereal essence in which consciousness functions, they merely witness the ego/mind and it’s projected world as a detached observer. Awareness is not subject to ego, and it is awareness that is the knower of consciousness. Another analogy that can be presented is awareness is the knower, while manifest consciousness is the field. The knower of the field is prior to ego, thus not affected by the mischief and motivations of ego. Awareness is non-personal, all-inclusive, experienced by all, but few consiously unfold this latent potential. For the human being who is aware, the ego and it’s motives are seen for what it is, just a limited, partial, ephemeral appearance within that which is limitless, whole and immutable. All concepts placed upon the pure “I am” must be scrutinized with a fine tooth comb. When done so to the fullest extent the conditioning upon the ego, the “I am” will vanish like a ghost leaving the ego a pure slate. The ego is seen and understood as not-Self, a phantom with no centre. When one is truly aware they function in life like others, but here the ego is understood, and one resides in a state of perfect harmony in life. For a human in this balanced state the ego is the ash skeleton of a burnt rope. This is the primary purpose of meditation and yoga sadhana.

  3. Conditioning. Consciousness in itself, by itself is always pure and bliss giving. It is the consciousness identified with the object that creates ego.

  4. conditioning out of fear from ego itself
    its a two way process, fear creates ego and ego creates fear,
    this is the lower self
    now the higher self does the same process in a diffrient manner,
    but you need to ask to know that ; ) that how it works
    I love you

  5. That is what it is. Philosophy, or more precisely, philosophy’s everyday appearance, which is a political or religious ideology, guides and misguides the lives of human beings, and every human being meets daily with many philosophical ideas, and makes or avoids many of his daily choices by appealing to and relying on philosophical considerations.
    Literally millions of people have been murdered in this century and other millions of people have been sent to concentration camps for what were, in the end, crude philosophical ideas (of the Marxist or Fascist variety, often).
    All supposedly ‘practical’ men, whether they did the killing in the name of a philosophy or were the victims of men acting out a philosophy or stood at the side gawking while declaring all philosophy useless or nonsense, were as philosophical – in the sense of being moved by general arguments about what the world is and should be and how human beings should behave – as any man, except that these supposedly ‘practical’ men were less conscious of that fact.
    In any case, it is an illusion to believe that philosophy only pertains to the goods of the mind or only is of importance to a few intellectually gifted and curious individuals:
    whatever happens in society and whatever human beings consciously do and do not do to others and for themselves is based on general ideas and values that are very properly speaking philosophical, and this has been so since human beings started to think.
    And part of the reason is that all men need to answer the questions what there really is, what they should and should not do, and why they believe they know things. These questions cannot be answered by any special science, and must be somehow answered by all human beings.
    Also, it is important to recognize that the philosophies that influenced much of the history of the 20th Century, Socialism and Fascism, were – at least in practice – dangerous delusions, and that indeed the same holds for religions, that tend to be beliefs that are held in irrational and fanatical ways, and tend to be very dangerous for those of a different belief. (This last fact should give people pause who believe in an all powerful and benevolent deity. It seems to me that the most a believer in God is entitled to claim, within reason, if this is possible, is that he believes in something that is totally beyond human understanding.)

  6. Ego is an illusion so it can be caused by nothing real.
    We can spend a lot of time thinking bout the parts of the ego, and that has some value in dismantling it, but to say it is caused by something gives credence to a nothing.

  7. An opinion of one with little Gnanam….
    Ego, has been called a product of desire.
    A human beings ego is created through the thoughts of I, I, I, and Me, Me, Me.
    Through the utilization of the “mantra”, I, I, I, and Me, Me, Me, the ego is effortlessly fertilized. The ego can grow to enormous proportions.
    The process known as thought if analyzed thoroughly and tempered with reasoning, will eventually give birth to quality known as “wisdom”.
    Thoughts can be dangerous if not analyzed and restrained.
    Conditioning starts the minute one leaves the womb, and one decides to enter the world.
    It is in the hands of a child’s loving parents to see that the above mentioned “Mantra” is not allowed to develop and mature.
    The ego if not observed and corrected will give birth to triplets, known as envy, arrogance, and pride.
    These three will in turn give birth to an enumerable and often uncontrollable, group of offspring.
    The mind of man is solely responsible for the creation of an unruly ego that can run endlessly, with a seemingly reckless abandon.
    The mind of man can resemble a monkey that apparently needs to be tamed.
    I hope this is of some small benefit, regarding your question.
    Meechum Anbu (Much Love)
    Salaams,

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