How do you feel about the western Occult tradition?

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Correlates well with the Eastern ones in Tibet, China and Japan?
Helena Blavatsky
Dion Fortune
Aleister Crowley
Jack Parsons
Gerald Gardner
Doreen Valiente
W.E. Butler
Pamela Colman-Smith
Alice Bailey

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The Western Mystery Tradition (WMT) has a different focus to Eastern counterparts. There is far more ceremony involved, props to help focus the mind, with more focus on working with outer forces. There is little emphasis on finding your true nature, although Dion Fortune was a bit into it (e.g. her book “The Mystical Qabala”).
The Eastern traditions, as presented to us in the west, have a more spiritual focus. Their traditions, such as the 9 breaths in Buddhism (to breath in pure air and breath out black harmful air) or creating a mental image of a deity in order to see its delusion, have a purpose of transcending appearance and gaining liberation.
Some (like Dion Fortune) say that the Western mind is more suited to western traditions. Others, (such as Mouni Sadhu, writer of both Eastern and Western Occult books) disagree. They have a very different ‘flavour’, and I think you’ll find one approach feels better than the other.


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Well, it’s no secret that I practice them, in their Crowleyan forms.
Blavatsky really shouldn’t be on the list, as she advocated people actually not practicing these things; it was like she didn’t trust us to not turn into evil hedonists.
Dion Fortune was a bit too Golden Dawny and Catholicly to me, though her fiction is definitely worth a read or three.
I shouldn’t have to explain how much I enjoy the Great Beast 666. As a side note, Fortune was one of the few Golden Dawn-ers to really respect the man; even saying that his system is very difficult.
I’m not too familiar with Mr. Parsons.
Gerald Gardner is an odd subject. At times I think he was just making an exoteric form of Thelema, and at others I think he dropped gnosis down a peg by relying mostly on pain.
I don’t have much to say about Doreen; I’m not a woman or a Wiccan.
I don’t know Butler well at all, admittedly.
Ms. Smith will always have my enmity for helping “Dead Waite,” create that abomination most people call a Tarot deck these days. And Alice Bailey is everything I find wrong with occultism these days.
Though, your list should really have included Franz Bardon, and Pope Pete, and Phil Hine; and Mr. Osman Spare. Those men have been highly influential in the past twenty years especially.
I would say they correlate well with Tibet’s, and China’s; but I don’t now very much about Japan’s. To the poster who said they don’t correlate, you don’t know much about the Daoist Wizards, or the goal of our traditions; do you?
Is that good?

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I don’t have an opinion on it one way or the other. I think in many ways, it makes more sense than organized religion.


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