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Why do so many materialists refer to spiritual people as brainwashed, delusional, or ignorant?

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I have seen so many question of this nature on here and I find it offensive. What makes you sure that you are not the brainwashed and delusional one?
In my eyes, modern western thought is the most delusional belief system on earth, well...its not really western thought anymore, since much of the world has been westernized in the last few 100 years. Its all based on materialism. The science reflects the culture and the culture reflects the science. The science is based on Descartes and the premise that everything can be explained by the interaction of its parts. To me consumer capitalism is just as much of a dogmatic institution as any religion. From the day you are born you conditioned into this view of reality, from the schools, your family, and the mass media. You are living in a made up virtual world maintained by culture. I hate to break it to you, but your fancy cars and stuff, only have value because you believe them to.
Why do you blame people who have a spiritual connection with the whole of nature? Is it because that would threaten your world view? The world view that has imperialized, colonized, and forced its beliefs on the world the last few hundred years. Did you know that there were actually natives who used to live in the America's that respected the land? The western world view that dominates the planet is directly to blame for the destruction of the forests, the huge gap between poor and rich, the mass extinction of animals, and much of the depression and apathy that people feel.
You can throw out the word god, but its still basically the same world view as before. Where people identify themselves as an isolated ego in a material body, where they see themselves as separate from nature, rather than an interconnected part of nature. This world view is delusional, look at the affect it is having on the planet
J Boss, did I mention the bible?This is how shallow the debate is on here. People try to frame it between these two extremes, the literal Christians and the material atheists. Just to let you know, that there are many more perspectives out there than just those two
Acid zebra, I am not saying that everyone is delusional, but me. I am saying that people need to look in the mirror, before they label another viewpoint as delusional. They should look at the history of their own world view, as Ideas follow the same kind of path as biological evolution.
Darth Cheney, I do believe that. I do think we live in the most spiritually dead culture, that is based on materialism. That is not saying, that I or any viewpoint has the all the answers. No one has all the answers. We are all ignorant to some degree

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Right. Delusional is all a matter of perspective.
Plus, I think we're all deluded in some way, compared with absolute truth, either physical or metaphysical.
Nobody has 100% of the big picture -- esp. not the people who are 100% sure that they're right and the rest of us are nutso.
Where atheists and theists disagree is on the linchpin of empiricism. I don't think that empirical information is the only true information in the universe. I think that the truest, most real things can't be measured and aren't palpable.

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Trust me it's not just the materialists. Regardless of anyone's basic philosophy, those who claim woo-woo nonsense without evidence are by definition delusional.
You can get all angsty and so so hip about whatever kind of capitalism you choose, but it's all just fancy words you are parroting since there is no link whatsoever between philosophical materialism and consumerism/materialistic worldviews. Similar words don't always mean the same thing.

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Are you delusional?
Do you think people will read that?
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Yes, it is everyone but you.

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if you believe in gods/spirits/mythical "energy" with no logically sound evidence then you must be one of three things: brainwashed, delusional, or ignorant.

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Bravo

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You let a 2000 year old book dictate your life with absolutely no evidence of that book being true, id call that delusional.

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What do you call people who firmly believe in nonexistent entities, and that also PREACH about that?
Smart? Intelligent? Wise?

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I think that you are in the vicinity of an important point. It's amazing how hard it is to see what you're saying from the inside of the culture though.
I think that one thing that is seductive is the COMFORT of western style existence. I don't know about you but I don't relish the thought of busting my hump all day to find a meal for the evening.

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They're hateful. Anyone that uses that language is.

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I do not hug trees,I live for God.

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its offensive i agree. if they want Christians to respect their choices, they should do the same in return, and likewise for Christians and such
because there are also former atheists who converted to Christians ive heard, meaning that i guess they werent fulfilled much before they converted
i mean its not like a "logical and intelligent" atheist (on this matter), being smart and stuff, would just choose to "dumb down" and become "unintelligent" in becoming a believer
there are real reasons and nobody should assume such things simply by whatever faith they may be

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Only brainwashed delusional people get whipped up
emotionally and behave according to the dictates of
the whims of their passionate moods.
It's easy to poke and prod and animal that's basically
tolerant (like a labrador retriever, or a collie, for example)
rather than one less tolerant (like a cat)
but my bottom line opinion is this:
that everyone is searching for the outer to line up
with the inner calling within themselves and so
testing one anothers belief systems out goes on
quite alot. if i find holes in yours for example then
i don't have to believe as you do.
so if i can tear you down then your religion is worthless
as well.
well it may sound silly but it does happen that way
subconsciously. testing is always going on and it
will not look pretty or sound nice or feel comfortable.
thanks for the Q 🙂

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