Is the dissolution of ego a decision, a process, an agreement, an ongoing observation, or something else?
"But this highest condition is difficult and must evidently take long to bring about; for the participation and consent of the Purusha to the transition is not sufficient, there must be also the consent and participation of the Prakriti....all the parts of our being must assent and surrender to the law of the spiritual Truth; all has to learn to obey the government of the conscious Divine Power in the members....For some of these parts are still subject to...the lower automatism of...mechanical habit of mind, habit of life, habit of instinct, habit of personality, habit of character, the ingrained mental, vital, physical needs, impulses, desires of the natural man, the old functionings of all kinds that are rooted so deep that it would seem as if we would have to dig to abysmal foundations in order to get them out." The Life Divine, Sri Aurobindo, Book II, Chapter XXVI, pp. 964-65 (Lotus Press, Fourth Impression 2006)
Is the ego more complex and entrenched than we realize?
So many different responses...the ego is, the ego isn't...the ego is an idea only, the ego serves a purpose...the perverting false ego vs. the ego being without which we could not be, etc. i consider this forum an open air market for healthy and spirited discussion, debate, and discourse. If ego is necessary, then what is its function? If ego is an idea only, then how does it form lifetime to lifetime, and is it different in each lifetime? Why is such emphasis put on ego (false ego) as the villain? Is there a difference between ego and false ego? i hear many different takes, opinions, approaches, views, experiences...can we rely on such a variety from so many to reveal the Reality? Many are adamant in their statements. Let's continue the discussion in the next question?
Thimmappa M.S....your "little fellow" is an accurate and colorful description...i am smiling.
Realizing that the ego is more complex and entrenched than we realize though makes, all those things you mentioned above, more doable and feasible.
Thanks for sharing this...good question for me to reflect on.
I haven't read the source material that you quoted, but I have read The Power of Now and A New Earth. I think the shedding of the ego is all of those things you asked about or any combination that works for you. What I took from Eckhart Tolle's books is the realization that the quest is as unique as the individual seeking to make it.
I've made some progress, hit a few brick walls, found a way around them and so on, many times so far. I'm doing my best to enjoy the journey instead of focusing on the goal. I hope your journey is going well and I thank you for starting my day on a high note.
Very Interesting question, Thank you for asking.
We had a discussion about this last week. The story was how this person addicted to sweet wanted to avoid eating "Baklava". So there are 3 Baklava's in front of him and his ego is convincing him to eat it all. He says to himself that he wont since he has pledged. As soon as the thought of not eating convinced him, a worm falls from his nose and starts eating it and he yells, hey it is my ego that wants to eat it. This worm later goes back in the nose. The moral of the story is as long as the human is alive, fighting ego is an ongoing observation and battle. The ego is also within him/her. They say outer Jihad as in fighting oppression is way easier then inner Jihad e.g Jihad against nafs(ego), gluttony, pride, greed, lust etc. Only saints majorly live in that state. In my humble opinion, I only believe in the forgivenss, mercy and Love of the divine, so my focus is always on that and in the world, I have to try my best to battle the ego. Thanks again. Peace and Blessings be upon you. Have a great day!
Ego separates man from God.
Through ,'maya' it appers as object.
We feel as creators
By expelling ego consciousness only we awaken and feel oneness with God
an awakening. the ever present source of consciousness comes through the veils of mind and truth is seen.
ego is a myth, a self- created stream of thoughts, a bundle of past memories, a beloved servant, nothing to be afraid of.
IMHO I believe that there comes a day when you wake up and you just give others the benefit of the doubt and you decide that there are certain priorities in life and arguing with others over insignificant things is NOT one of them. Some call it maturing, some call it enlightenment, others may call it apathy.
In came over me in a flash after I had found out some rather distressing news about the govt in general and then specifically news about our local FBI, sheriffs dept, 1/2 of the local judges, most of the District Attorney's office, the local police, the local city councils and mayors and how the newspaper worked hand in hand with them all.
I perhaps told too many people and was suddenly hunted, hounded, my house was broken into, my computer hacked, and then they started to get mean. Ridiculous charges, court dates, judges dismissing charges followed by the DA dismissing that judge, internal riff-raff in the system, followed by threats of death, torture, the list goes on and on. I even wrote a book while I was being imprisoned between court dates. I finally gave in and was released, ONE MONTH before another guy in the same boat as me was murdered in his cell by what most people say was the sheriff's dept themselves. I had escaped just in time thanks to a friend who worked for the DA's office and told me that I had been targeted and I needed to leave that area as soon as possible. He gave me a destination and said "Be there in a month .... or you are a dead man." Well, I'm reporting to you LIVE from that destination. I may not be ready to blab the news to the world since I simply MENTIONED it to Phil Donahue and his secretary was all jumping up and down and really into it and then a week later called and said that "this is too big for us to handle ... we would lose our license and Phil would probably end up going through what YOU went through so thank you but you're on your own!"
So ... there are times when you save the battle for another time and place. In the meantime I am a "broken spirit", but one never knows when I might take the form of the Phoenix. Like Terminator, as long as there is ONE spark left, one volt to power up the mains, the possibility of GREAT things still exists. But I am gradually returning and seeking vengeance upon my dear overlords. The banks are first, religions as we know them are next, and the govts will be last. None of this will be done by ME thank Goodness.
We are ALL becoming enlightened as we Ascend to 13 hertz and 5th Dimensionality since we are ending the 13th era in the Mayan calendar and are about to enter the topic of many songs from the 1960's "The Age of Aquarius". When we go 5D one of the perks is that we will be given the TRUE Knowledge of Everything from all time. The fruit from the tree so to speak. I think when God smit Adam & Eve he dropped them from 5D to 2D and man has been ascending the ladder ever since. Well, finally at last we are ascending the LAST part and once we reach Dec 21, 2012 we will ALL KNOW the truth. We will also be totally intuitive like the animals. We will become ONE people, with ONE mind, and ONE thought! Hopefully we will even be accepted into the galactic community as equals to many other alien races. It will be the "Party of the Ages" literally.
And then there is the possibility that Nibiru will wipe everything out but that's just the luck of the draw. Personally, I'm hoping that we can all band mentally together and repel whatever it is that threatens us in the future. For those of you who think that's an "odd thought" please feel free to enlighten yourself at this website: http://2012.heavenforum.com
It will tell you everything you need to know to update your systems.
Once we reach 2013 and have all ascended we can look for the 1000 years of peace to begin, aka Heaven on Earth.
If we FAIL and don't ascend for some reason then we can look for what those doomsayers talk about and go thru Hell on Earth. This is also why the coming pages of the Mayan Calendar are blank. There are TWO possibilities for the future. We are reaching the MAJOR fork in the road. Right, left, heaven, hell ... which way are we going? The future is not fixed ... WE must be the Change we wish to see in the World!" ~ Mahatma Gandhi
Ego? Are we still talking about Ego? How Neanderthal ... not that there's anything wrong with that!
Ego is dead. Enlightenment is the new Ego! One for all and all for one is the new motto of the New World. We have a New World Ego now! Who will win? The New World Order or the New World Ego? I ask YOU! ..............
peace, love and light
So, it's your choice people. Heaven or Hell. Either relax and enlighten and ride the crazy roller coaster ride through you emotions and shut down your logical mind and begin thinking with you emotional mind, and enter into a state of bliss ... or fight it all the way and force Mother Nature to start the whole process all over again until we can get it right. Stuff some flint in your pockets now b/c you're going to need it to start the fire to heat your food, unless you like RAW bear.
Peace, Love, and Light to All
Dissolution of the ego is the result of self awareness.
Male and female energy dancing, Purusha and Prakriti, Shiva and Shakti. Tantra is a rocket-ship to enlightenment, sexual energy raised transcends conditioning and brings us to the natural state *Glimmering* before time. Sex is the key, conditioning about sex the lock. : )
Edit: Of course there are many horse and buggy methods also. : )
I think it is an ongoing, gradual process.
The self is a deep, subtle delusion; a product of our minds- thus very cunning and elusive. It will seek to subvert at every level.
Sustained concentration and lengthly observation of non-self is the way of practice.
Ego is what glues spirit to flesh.
We need ego to agree to stay out of the way of awareness. Ego creates our grandeur, but truth is perception without the veil of pride. If one doesn't acknowledge the ego then the ego strengthens, as ego is fueled by fear of death and humiliation. If acknowledged it is weakened and it will give you permission to see truth. It can’t be fought by logic or fear; to fight ego is to fight your own mind.
Consider how you must deal with the egos of other people to get them to understand something; this is how you must be with yourself as well. When ego becomes your ally it will vanish, and so will your misconceptions.
Yes it is. After all, it has been developing all of your life, since conception. It dissolves slowly. Although some people have claimed to have sudden experiences of transcendent "cosmic consciousness", those are always followed by "downs" where the seeker returns to normal life, only slightly different. Many more such experiences are needed to dislodge the ego. It requires daily effort, just like physical exercise, eating, etc.
I used to wrestle with and philosophize about this and practice, read, meditate, etc. to "transcend the ego" and all that for years and then I had a realization about the automaton and Consciousness and it made me very humble and miserable for a while, but in the long run, freer perhaps and i put away all the books and curbed my enthusiasm about all the groovy ideology and poesy. The ego on the one hand is a survival mechanism of the organism. It is also an aggregate of circumstance and experience and an aggregate of the inexorable karma of all the entities within a person's constellation of circumstances and experience. Enlightened beings who are human beings with nervous systems and all that live in a paradox, being a personality (an ego) and automaton and experiencing themselves as Consciousness or of just experiencing Consciousness and the illusory nature of self. Some have even described somewhat in this way.
"Ego dissolution" is simply intentionally repatterning the program so that it is more of an intentional and efficient program marked by a higher degree of true volition, than the randomly circumstantial program a person haplessly comes into the world as and becomes during its helpless formative years. This is what spiritual discipline and meditation is ultimately for.