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Do you think that religions can be put into two groups?

It seems to me that religions can be put into two groups. The first group contains only two major religions, Christianity and Islam (there may be other minor religions in this group but for all intents and purposes it is just these two sister religions). They believe that only followers of their religion will be saved and God will torture all others eternally. This means that they believe they have a mandate to use any means necessary to convert others. Historically this has included violence, threats, bribes, lies, and misrepresentation. They may claim that God is merciful but when pressed admit that they think he will leave most of humanity to be tortured eternally. When either of these religions is dominant in an area they tend to split into exclusive sub-cults or denominations, each claiming to be the “true” faith and condemning members of the other, again historically with violence.
The other group contains Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Wicca, Zoroastrianism, Jainism, Sikhism, Confucianism, Shamanism, Native American religions, Shinto, Yazidi, and many more. These believe that good people from other faiths will eventually reach the same destination. Most of them believe in a loving God who cares about everyone whatever their faith. This means that they see no reason to attack those of other beliefs. Most religions fall into this group.
What do you think?

9 COMMENTS

  1. Nope, religion can be divided into just one group.
    Religion is that little back pack some people carry around. And in it are all the stories and fairy tales that they had hammered into them since they were a kid. None of it makes any sense. None. There is no sky daddy, no Easter Bunny, no santa. And these people run their lives with good logic and reason except for the stuff in that back pack.
    Religions….same dog, different collar.

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  3. I think you’re essentially right, though there have been exceptions. Universalism was originally a Christian denomination, but their name came from the fact that they thought salvation was for everyone regardless of their beliefs. (It’s since merged with Unitarianism and no longer classifies itself as Christian, though some of its adherents do call themselves Christian.)

  4. Religion confuses me as I was told that anyone who believed in God was a Christian but now the word seems to be used as a slur against those that don’t belong to Islam. Yet all Muslims I know believe in God, ok, they say Allah. Religion has been used as a controlling force since it first came into existence. Some will tell you that there is only one religion, and that is the one they believe in.

  5. Chris, you are soooooo wrong. Go back to the drawing board. Christianity is the only way of life following a living God. Judaism worships the same God but have a different path for life. Islam worships a dead god and if you analyze it carefully you will find it is diametrically opposed to Christianity. It is founded by man guided by Satan. It is a Satanic cult at best and the most threatening organization against the freedoms of man—all freedoms.
    Where are you when they report Christians killed in India due to either a Muslim or Hindu uprising—is that peace to all others. Pakistan exist today only because the Hindu of India could not tolerate the abusive Muslims of India, so they let them split off and form Pakistan. All of the other groups you mentioned are not far behind, do not stir up their environment or their territory for they will kill just as quickly as all the religions. Christianity—while some great evils have been performed in the name of Christianity is truly the only one which preaches, teaches peace. Sure–I can name several so-called Christian church who recently stepped outside of their base teachings, but that is not Christianity it is as always men. If followed letter for letter, a Christian is the most peaceful person on earth. Not so with Islam or any of the religions mentioned, nor any of the cults or sects.

  6. Rocky, you’ve got a cool name, but otherwise are a total douche. There is no less evidence for Islam than there is for Christianity. It’s okay if you have faith in Jesus rather than Buddha or Muhammed, but not every person who thinks differently than you was “guided by Satan”.
    In answer to the original question, Judaism and some traditional African beliefs might comprise a third category where the afterlife is either not mentioned or only very loosely described.

  7. hi its pel again.
    Regarding your question of abrogation, I noticed your additional comment late after you had closed the session.
    You asked me. this hereunder question.
    Chris: Are you saying that since those pagans broke the pact that Muslims should now hunt all pagans? Or do you think this only applied to those individual pagans who entered into a pact and broke it?
    Answer: For your first part of question, I replied my answer in same thread that there is no compulsion in the matter of religion. AND ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THIS CONCEPT, and you should not doubt on it. We cannot hunt any pagan by reasoning religion.
    Muslims ruled subcontinent for centuries.If you think that by force Islam allows to convert any faith than in India now, all hindus idolators should had been converted to Islam. But this is certainly not the case. Even now in present time, Hindus are majority in India.
    Even in Arab there is large community of christians and Jews living very peacefully under Islamic rule and they are living there since time of prophet Mohammed.
    Now about the second part of your question, if a pagan breaks a pact than can this order of Quran be implimented on him.
    Well my answer is that even if a Muslim breaks a pact and go against the pact than the second Muslim who has become victum can take action against that Muslim who is breaking the peace-pact. But still if the first culprut party ask for asylum, the second party shall grant to him, and should lead him to secure place.(according to verse No. 6)
    And if you study the conquest of Makah, when Pagans of Makkah broke the pact, Muslims announced war and Abu Sufyan the cheif of pagan when he came to prophet Mohammed seeking mercy, prophet not only forgave him but announced that whoso ever want asylum can enter in house of sufyan and Muslim army will not harm them.
    Muslims entered in makkah without killing a single humanbeing.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_Mecca
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    Now about your present question, you are saying that there are two major groups, and first group contains two major religions Islam and christianity and they believe that followers of their religion will only be saved and God will torture all others.
    Your above concept about Muslims is wrong.
    Islam does not say that only followers of Mohammed PBUH will enter in heaven. We Muslims believe that God sent on earth more than one hundred twenty four Thousand Messangers. By name Quran mentions 25 including Jesus and Mossess. All those who followed the true and correct preachings of those prophets/messangers They all will surely enter in Heaven. True followers of David will enter into heaven, true followers of Lot will surely enter in heaven, true followers of Jhon the baptist will enter in heaven, true followers of Jesus christ will surely enter in heaven. and True followers of prophet Mohammed will surely enter in heaven.
    We Muslims say that Quran is the final book, all other religious books has been corrupted and there are people who for the worldly benifits, for very small amount has been doing it, has done it and are doing this.
    Surah Al-Baqarah, Ch. No. 2, Verse No. 79 says ‘Then vow to those who write the book with their own hands’‘And then say, this is from Allah’. ‘To traffic with it for a miserable price’ ‘Then vow to those for what their hands do write’‘Then vow to those for what they earn’.
    For Quran Allah says that It will not be corrupted.
    Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the (Quran / Koran)) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)” [Surah (Chapter of) al-Hijr 15:9]
    We Muslims believe that the present bible is not that Injil which was given to prophet Jesus, and the present Torah is not that Torah which was given to Prophet Moses. same for other scriputres.
    I say may be the hindu scriptures were also from God but because enourmous time has passed so they are not in their true form.
    Many Hindu scholors believe in prophet Mohammed, and prophet Mohammed PBUH is also mentinoed in Hindu scriptures.
    I am pasting a link hereunder, I hope it will help you.
    http://www.islamicresearch.org/Pages/Prophet%20Mohammad%20in%20Hindus%20books.htm
    Well if you study the wiki answer link above there is mentioned that prophet Mohammed was accompanied by 10,000 soliders. Now in this above link in which hindu scholors is described and qualities-comparison is made of the kalki avtar with prophet Mohammed it is not mention another prophesy of veda referring to 10,000 soliders of war.
    In atherveda book 20 hymn 127 Mantra 3 says
    and it is mentioned
    ” He is Mahaman Rishi, who is given Hundred gold coins, ten chaplets, three hundred good steeds and TEN THOUSAND cows.
    Please read this link for full details.
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/18984999/The-Real-Message-of-the-Sanatan-Dharma
    I read in your profile that you are a Hindu. Have you read Maha-Bharat?
    Maha-Bharat speaks about fighting, between good and evil so you cannot say that other group does not believe in fighting.
    Mahabharata is an epic and sacred Scripture of the Hindus, which mainly deals with a fight between the cousins, the Pandavas and the Kauravas. In the battlefield Arjun prefers not to fight and be killed rather than having his conscience burdened with the killing of his relatives. At this moment, Krishna advises Arjun in the battlefield and this advice is contained in the Bhagvad Gita. There are several verses in the Bhagvad Gita where Krishna advises Arjun to fight and kill the enemies even though they are his relatives.
    b. It is mentioned in
    The Bhagvad Gita Chapter 1 verse 43-46
    (43) O Krishna, maintainer of the people, I have heard by disciplic succession that those who destroy family traditions dwell always in hell”
    (44) “Alas, how strange it is that we are preparing ourselves to commit great sinful acts, driven by the desire to enjoy royal happiness.”
    (45) I would consider better for the sons of Dhritarashtra to kill me unarmed and unresisting rather than fight with them.
    (46) “Arjuna, having thus spoken, cast aside his bow and arrow, and sat down on the chariot, his mind, overwhelmed with grief”.
    c. Krishna further replies in
    Bhagvad Gita Chapter 2 Verse 2, 3
    2. “My dear Arjuna, how have these impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the progressive values of life. They lead not to higher planets but to infamy.
    2. “O son of Partha, do not yield to this degrading impotence. It does not become you. Give up such petty weakness of heart and arise, O chastiser of the enemy!”
    When Arjuna prefers to be killed unarmed and unresisting rather than fight and kill his cousins Kauravas, Krishna replies to Arjun by saying how this impure thought has come to you which prevents you from entering heaven. Give up this degrading Impotence and weakness of heart and arise, O defeater of enemy.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita

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