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did you know baptism is pagan in origin?

Baptism is a common Christian practice; the definition for the word baptism is “a rite of washing with water as a sign of religious purification and consecration.”
The normal tools used in the baptism ritual are. Usually white Candles depending on setting, a cross, an alter, and a baptismal font (the one I was baptized in was wooden with a cross on top) The priest/minister usually blesses the water, and then recites some words depending on the denomination they can vary. The person is usually then considered born again.
The right of baptism STOLEN!
The rite of baptism is of pagan origin.
In ancient history, the Greek historain Plutarch tells us that the rites of
Mithras were being practiced in Cilicia in 67BC.
That is just about 100 years before Christianity started.
In MITHRAISM – There were ceremonies where spiritual purification was believed to come from sprinkling (or like in other brances of Christianity drenching) of the person was baptised with bulls blood or rams blood. This purification meant the person was born again. (also found in eastern idea of spiritual transformation, through “the toungs of fire” or Kundalini and the person is born again or spiritually transformed (this is where the Church gets baptism of the holy spirit from some Christian mystics will say this too)
The faithful called Mithras (REMEMBER, 4000 years ago!) “the Light of the World”, and a symbol of truth, justice, and loyalty. He was mediator between heaven and earth and was a member of a Holy Trinity, In Ancient persian Culture. These people were born again followers of him when baptised. SOUND FAMILIAR.

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  1. no its not pagan
    you are making assumptions and trying to make it appear that way
    its only your assumption which is not true

  2. There are no verifiable records of this happening in Mithra worship until after Christianity had already started, made more apparent by the fact that the people who actually conducted the ceremonies wrote next to nothing about their beliefs. What you present as fact is nothing more than conspiracy theory that takes a great deal of liberties with the time line.

  3. Did you know Christianity is an eternal truth and began on this Earth with Adam and Eve?? Paganism may have used certain ordinances along the line but it certainly wasnt created within paganism. Paganism just took certain existing rites and rituals and twisted them so people could be led away slowly.

  4. Cleansing with water was part of many religious ceremonies before Christianity.
    In Hinduism washing of the mother and child is part of the naming ceremony.
    So what?
    John the Baptist appears to have used immersion in the Jordan to symbolize the washing away of sins. Where did he get this idea from? From an earlier mikva ritual in some Jewish sect, from some non-Jewish traditions (pagan), from Mithraism?. Scholars who have studied this really don’t know. Mostly they don’t much care. Washing the body as a symbolism of washing away sin is too obvious a symbolism for it to matter much who did it first.
    But using the rite from another tradition would hardly be stealing. Those who believed in this other rite had not lost anything. Nothing has been STOLEN.
    Hermeticism, also recognized a baptism. Was this STOLEN from Christianity? Was this STOLEN from Mithraism? Was this STOLEN from some other cult? Or was it developed independently? In any case STOLEN seems to me to be an incorrect word since other cults, before and after, could still use cleansing by water in their ceremonies if they wished. And they did.
    Mithraism was a mystery religion, which meant that it was felt to be impious to reveal its doctrines and ceremonies to outsiders. Accordingly, we know almost nothing about what it taught and how its doctrines may have differed in different times and places. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras which summarizes most modern scholarly speculation.
    I am unaware the Mithras was worshipped as part of a HolyTrinity. That a sun god might be called the ‘Light of the World’ seems rather normal.
    That Christianity appears to be very similar in some ways to many Greek mystery cults is well known. The seed which rises again as a plant appears to be a motif which many of these cults had in common. An answer is that most Christians did not believe (and do not believe) that all pagans were only evil devil worshippers and that they might through their mind and spirit anticipate God’s truths.
    In short, similar beliefs to Christianity found among pagans could be used to supposedly prove Christianity. This sounds forced, but no more than an insistence that any belief among pagans that resembles any belief among Christians proves Christianity is incorrect.
    Which religion do you claim does not take from earlier religious beliefs? That customs deriving from pagan times are still upheld in modern society does not bother most supposed Christians at all. Only very Puritan sects are bothered by such things.
    Very Christian authors who have used pagan beliefs in their works include Dante Alighieri, John Milton, George MacDonald, C. J. Chesterton, J.R.R. Tolkien, and C.S. Lewis. They didn’t conceive that there was anything wrong with doing so.
    That Mithras and Dionysus and Heracles and Osiris and Tammuz and many others all resemble the Jesus of Christianity in some fashion is well known. SOUND FAMILIAR? It never mattered much. Believers can always get around such similarities. And so can non-believers.
    Prayer and fasting and sacrifice and confession are also found among many so-called pagans. Morality that most Christians would find reasonable is also found among pagans. Regular festivities are found among pagans. Naively pointing out resemblances between cults doesn’t indicate anything much when it is a matter of ‘belief’.
    It is not a doctrine of any religion that I know of that one must believe that religion to be entirely original.

  5. Did you know some people talk out of ignorance?
    If pagans were angry that Catholicism abolished pagan worship its hard to imagine that the Church adopted paganism.
    Early converts to Christianity from paganism despised the darkness and superstition of their old faiths. Many of them became martyrs who gave their lives rather than offer incense to an image of Caesar. They would never have worshiped Gaia, Isis or Cybele, even under the guise of Jesus’ Mother!
    To accuse the early Church of this would be to doubt the sincerity of the pagans’ conversions. These converts were thrown to the lions for their faith in Jesus. Why would they hang onto their old pagan gods?
    Christians considered pagan deities to be demons, and the formula for Baptism involved (and still involves) a renunciation of Satan.
    So in order to receive Baptism, catechumens had to renounce their former gods!
    How could they continue worshiping demons after renouncing them?
    And why would they identify the Mother of their Savior with demonic impostors?
    I feel that people who advance that theory are not practicing sound reasoning or research.

  6. Jews were already baptizing back then. Those Mithras pagans you are so proud of probably stole it from them. You neo-pagans are really ridiculous sometimes, Pax Christi

  7. There is a sharp contrast between the mythological character of pagan mystery religions and the historical character of the Gospels and the New Testament writings. In his study Historical and Literary Studies: Pagan, Jewish, and Christian, Bruce Metzger writes:
    Unlike the deities of the mysteries, who were nebulous figures of an imaginary past, the divine being whom the Christian worshiped as Lord was known as a real person on earth only a short time before the earliest documents of the New Testament were written. From the earliest times the Christian creed included the affirmation that Jesus “was crucified under Pontius Pilate.” On the other hand, Plutarch thinks it necessary to warn the priestess Clea against believing that “any of these tales [concerning Isis and Osiris] actually happened in the manner in which they are related.”
    A glance at Mithraism demonstrates how different from Christianity the pagan mystery religions were. Mithras was originally a Persian god depicted as a bucolic deity who watched over cattle. Mithraism was not introduced to the West and the Mediterranean world until the first century at the earliest, where it eventually attracted Roman soldiers. Contemporaneous with Christianity, this second form of Mithraism was for men only.
    By the time Mithraism became popular in the Roman Empire it had changed from a public religion for the many to a mystery religion meant for the elite. It took on a Greco-Roman quality and absorbed elements of astrology and Platonic philosophy. Although scholars distinguish between the earlier Persian Mithraism and the later Roman Mithraism, most popular works straining to connect Mithras to Jesus do not. This failure to distinguish between the two forms of Mithraism has often resulted in the assumption that Roman Mithraic beliefs also existed in the earlier, pre-Christian form. But the Mithraic beliefs and practices that Christianity is accused of “stealing” did not come into vogue until the end of the first century, far too late to shape the Gospels and their depiction of Jesus. David Ulansey, author of The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries, writes:
    The earliest physical remains of the cult date from around the end of the first century A.D., and Mithraism reached its height of popularity in the third century. In addition to soldiers, the cult’s membership included significant numbers of bureaucrats and merchants. Women were excluded. Mithraism declined with the rise to power of Christianity until the beginning of the fifth century, when Christianity became strong enough to exterminate by force rival religions such as Mithraism. (“The Cosmic Mysteries of Mithras,” at http://www.well.com/user/davidu/mithras.html)
    The Roman Mithras is “born” from a rock; he is called “the rock-born god.” He was commonly depicted as naked, wearing a cap and holding a torch and a dagger. In the Persian legends, he was born of a virgin mother, Anahita (once worshiped as a fertility goddess), who swam in Lake Hamun in the Persian province of Sistan, where Zoroaster/Zarathustra had left sperm four hundred years earlier. The central feat of Mithras’s life on earth was the capture and killing of a stolen bull at the command of the god Apollo, symbolizing the annual renewal of life in spring.
    Mithraism did not originally have a concept of a god who died and was then resurrected. Despite the claims made in The Da Vinci Code, there is no ancient account of Mithras dying, being buried “in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days.” That assertion is taken (either directly or from a second-generation source) from The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors, where Graves wrote, without documentation, that several pagan deities (including “Mithras the Mediator” of Persia) rose from the dead after three days’ burial. But E. O. James, professor of history and philosophy of religion at the University of London, noted that “in contrast to the other Graeco-Oriental Mystery divinities, the Persian saviour-god did not himself pass through death to life.”

  8. All the rituals in the Bible (especially the OT ones) are “pagan in origin”, that is they or parallels and equivalents were used by Pre-Israelite and Pre-Christian peoples
    The meanings are often changed to express the revelation of the One God and His Covenants and to be a channel of grace
    Mithras was a separate god-being and was not an hypostasis of Ahura Mazda , the Infinite Eternal All Good
    Jesus is God the Word Incarnate, an eternal divine hypostasis or ‘personna” of the One Infinite Eternal All Good God and equal to the Father and Spirit
    Christianity is rooted in Hebraic monotheism rather than pagan polytheism but its expression is given in Hellenistic terms and ideas

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