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Did matter evolve to create consciousness or did consciousness evolve to create matter?

Said another way, the Spiritual world is said to be nonphysical in nature and exists independently from matter. That is, the physical world would not exist if there was no one (sentient beings) there to perceive it. The Spiritual world is also said to be infinite and not subject to the constraints of linear time, death, or decay.

Conversely, the physical world is defined by its limitations. Everything is composed of the same material, but differences in configuration, finite dimensions and measurable attributes are what distinguish one thing from another. Thus: Spiritual world = infinite. Physical world = finite. Mathematically, we know that the infinite can not be produced from the finite; but, the finite can be produced from the infinite. So, did matter (finite) evolve to create consciousness (infinite) or did Spiritual consciousness and perception (infinite) evolve to create matter (finite)?

Let the intellectual jousting begin – – have fun!

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James Briggs
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James Briggs

Spirit is the inside and matter is on the outside. We experience our own consciousness but those outside of us only see matter. Why do things like rocks seem to lack consciousness? Rocks are consciousness but they don’t have a mind like the one that is created by our brains. Our wonderful brains use our mind to present the world to us in a way that we can understand and interact with allowing our consciousness to grow and become more pure. Don’t worry about rocks someday they will have a mind and their consciousness will evolve.

Charles Glieb
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Charles Glieb

Neither evolved specially to create the other. There is an interaction of the two. True: Nothing can exist without there being something to be conscious of it but would consciousness exist if there was nothing to be conscious of?

As well, perception is a mental activity of the mind and is the result of a material brain. From that we suspect that perception has nothing to do with consciousness, yet both rely on attention. Therefore attention is the common factor between consciousness and perception. Other than that they have no relationship to one another.

Peter M
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Peter M

There are two different kinds of evolution here. Matter evolves according to the principle of Darwinian evolution while culture or spiritual consciousness evolves according to the principles of Lamarkian evolution. From a human perspective. Logically matter would need to evolve first to create a being capable of having a complex conscious brain (Darwinian evolution). Then the conscious brain could create matter into beautiful art forms (Lamarkian evolution). However from a divine perspective going back before the Big Bang the physical universe could be like a crib in which humanity could be born. At this point a divine conscious entity or… Read more »

Asha
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Asha

Said in another way: Both consciousness and the solidity of that which exist are two aspects of the same thing. Perhaps it could also be said that there are two aspects in existence. The Absolute is the none changing phase or field of Being; and the relative ever changing field of Being is the other? Light or background radiation light before it is absorbed is called Akasha. (invisible light) After absorbed into the human body is called Kundalini which is experienced internally as brightness, color or heat and is ultimately consciousness. The primordial seven different colors representing vibration rates can… Read more »

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dolphin314etc

A well-informed question. I suppose you want an answer. Here’s the best I’ve got, but I know it’s not airtight. As an existentialist, along the lines of Sartre and Rand, I have to say existence precedes essence, matter precedes consciousness. But I know that in the end matter is just a waveform, it’s really just a number. All matter which may be found on the periodic table comes down to leptons, mesons, and bosons. Basically numbers that describe waveforms, see also Schroedinger, Fermi, and Feinmann, particularly the theory of quantum electro-dynamics. However mind does not precede matter, temporally, or logically.… Read more »

Jill E
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Jill E

Great question.

But I don’t think either premise is true. I don’t think either of them evolved to create the other.

Matter is energy within set boundaries. The spiritual world is a world of energies, and exists within it’s own dimensions.

Matter evolved from these energies, but the energy was already conscious, it didn’t need matter in order to become conscious.

Nick f
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Nick f

This to my mind, is THE biggest question, this is the place where science and theism, should meet and meld, in a blinding flash of logic, (That’ll be the day huh?) Firstly, let us examine matter. Where does matter orignate from? and WHAT is matter? I can almost hear everyone shouting at me, that all matter in the universe originated from the BIG BANG, the big bang theory, however, must mean, that all the matter was already present, and just waiting for a cataclysmic event to expand itself. All well and good you may say, but that does not adequately… Read more »

Robert K
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Robert K

Some people might think that this is about making an “either/or” kind of choice, but I’d have to say that it’s “all of the above.” Bottom line, if we don’t perceive something with our five senses or by conceptual thought, there is no way of knowing that it exists in our lives. I’ve asked the best scientific minds I can find how they differentiate what is subjective versus what is objective, and, so far, nobody has given me a definitive answer. From what I can tell, our lives and the cosmos are large enough to hold apparently differing viewpoints if… Read more »

HereIAm
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HereIAm

It certainly is a question posed to create debate, but if we stick to the proven and the physical world is that proven, the spiritual is not. Then the debate fizzles out.

I’m waiting for the Scriptural ‘cut and pasters’ to discover this question.

t_a_m_i_l
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t_a_m_i_l

Some receint scientific experiments has shown that you can create matter from light.

I haven’t looked into this much though. But I am sure it means something.

To me it seems that consciousness would have had to create matter out of light in the beginning.

skeptik
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skeptik

“Mathematically, we know that the infinite can not be produced from the finite; but, the finite can be produced from the infinite.”

Actually, we know nothing of the sort, mathematically. You are using the terms “finite” and “infinite” in a philosophical or metaphysical way, not a mathematical one. Mathematics has precisely zero (see? another mathematical term) to say about your question.

Here are some other mathematical terms that are also philosophical terms – which don’t have anything like the same meaning:
Rational
Irrational
Imaginary
Transcendental
Natural
Prime
etc.
etc. …

fdrc
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fdrc

the propositions assume the conclusion . . . . which, of course, makes the argument invalid (if not specious).

Spike
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Spike

first, show me some evidence of a “spiritual world” …then we’ll talk

Bipolar Birdy
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Bipolar Birdy

I can’t disagree

Please post this question in Science or Philosophy. It is a great question and I would love for you to get good answers.

Nowpower
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Nowpower

There may never be an answer to that question. No need to try to cram the bible into that gap.

D u r d i e
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D u r d i e

The supernatural world is an imaginary world.

Have you considered getting back in school?

Gazoo
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Gazoo

Matter can’t be created or destroyed. It’s a rule of Physics.

Mongolian...
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Mongolian...

Atoms or molecules are not conscious.

Only imagination can come up with such whoppers as God and Satan and all the rest.

General Dogbitz
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General Dogbitz

at first glance your question appears plausible.

then I read it.