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Christians what do you think of this excerpt….true?

Did Lucifer falsely claim to be higher, more noble than the man Jesus? And, in doing so, did he blaspheme by claiming that he, Lucifer, a bodiless spirit, the supremest angel, should be regarded as higher than Jesus, who, like all humans, was part spirit, part matter? He, an angel, worship a mewling baby at Bethlehem and a bleeding half-animal groaning in death throes on Calvary?
Or did Lucifer revolt because he and the other angels were destined to help elevate human beings beyond the merely material and human, beyond even the status of the angels, right to the status of sharing God’s life?
Or did Lucifer reject God’s decision integrally? That is to say: did he reject God’s decision to ordain and relate everything-God’s own being and the spirits God created-to a human universe? And, if so, was this because Lucifer rejected the prime trait of that decision, a universe of beings-humans-who would need compassion, and mercy and help and sustainment? The spirits were to be servants of that compassion and instruments of that help to an unmerited glory for those creatures.
Or did Lucifer, with angelic intelligence, foresee a destiny of human beings yet hidden from our human eyes-that after eons of development, when outer space is colonized in billions of galaxies, mankind will progress and evolve in spirit to a status we now know nothing of, and in which men and women will enjoy a freedom from matter but still be able to enjoy the beauty of this material world?
Jealousy? Ambition? Pride? Scorn? We can only surmise.
Whatever Lucifer did, he blasphemed against God’s unique divinity, and he made false claims. Punishment was immediate. Jesus, in an overt reference to his personal memories of this revolt, spoke of that one quick, terrible moment of degradation and punishment of Lucifer and of those spirits who followed his lead. Jesus said: “I saw Lucifer falling like lightning from heaven.” Again, in the style of Jesus, we have a stark evocation of the sudden flash of Lucifer’s brilliant intelligence in the clean skies of creation’s dawn; then the moment-long glare of Lucifer’s claimed glory; and, finally, the immediate humiliation of utter defeat and rejection by God, as Lucifer plummeted from the clarity and brightness of love and changeless beauty down past the rim of happiness into the pit of eternal exile from all good and all holiness.
In this revolt and punishment, the natural orientation of Lucifer and of those spirits who were part of his rebellion remained. They were by their very essence in intimate relation with the human universe. They were powerless to free themselves of it. Their powers of will and intelligence remained. Only now, those wills and intelligences were twisted by revolt and their unchangeable state as the condemned ones. Their love for God, for Jesus, and therefore for mankind became hate. Their need to move in a human universe and to be in relationship with matter remained; but it now became a need to disrupt, to soil, to destroy, to make ugly, to deform.
Their knowledge of truth became solely the means for an exercise in distorting the truth. Their reverence became mockery and contempt. Their lovely desires became gross threats. All their light became a confusing darkness. And their primordial destiny to be the helpers of Jesus became a living and baleful hate of him, of his love, of his salvation, and of those who belong to him.


  1. Lucifer doesn’t need to move in the human universe. In Job, it clearly said that Lucifer moved from heaven to earth, that means, he still has access to heaven. Lucifer rebelled because he thought that he is greater than Jesus Christ. It showed the pitfalls of absolute power and greatness.

  2. “Let Christians define their Christ, and Satanists define their Satan.”
    The true satan exists only in christian/judaic/muslim theology.
    Originally satan wasn’t the bad dude in hell, that was Samael.
    Samael was the angel who rebelled and was cast down.
    Satan was an angel, or a title for a role for an angel, that God sent to earth to test people’s faith. He was literally the ‘adversary’ to their faith but acted on God’s orders. It was only later that he was compiled with Samael (and Lucifer) into one figure.
    Does this mean that the original meaning of Satan is correct and people now-a-days are ignorant of the truth. Or that the old people got it wrong and the current people are right. Either way this change in status of a character in the bible throws the rest of it in question as well. How many interpretations have their been since its inception and how can you prove that your current one is as current as the christians so vehemently insist it is?

  3. Satan didn´t committ blasphemy by claiming that he, Lucifer, should be regarded as higher than Jesus.
    Satan DID committ blasphemy by requesting worship!
    Serving certain humans, not any humans, but especially humble and god-fearing persons, was not beneath loyal angels, but a task given by Jehovah and just another way to serve and to glorify him.
    As the pre-and post-human Jesus, the archangel, Michael, acted as God´s workmaster in creating Men, earth, universe and all other angels, Satan´s request was, well…
    To the previous answerers:
    To breaker561994: In Job´s time Satan HAD ACCESS to heaven, for
    (Job 1:6) “. . .Now it came to be the day when the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and even Satan proceeded to enter right among them.”
    But nowadays, (Revelation 12:7-9) ” . . .And war broke out in heaven: Mi”²cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.”
    Biblical prophecy and chronology reveals this has been Autumn 1914, with the following consequence:
    (Revelation 12:12) “. . .On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”


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