ceremonial magick???

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would it be okay for a beginner to learn ceremonial magick, or is that advanced stuff?
also, does ceremonial magick always involve summoning a spirit? or is that just an option if you choose to do so?
And, do ceremonial magicians use the same tools as a wiccan? (athame, chalice, candles, etc) or are the tools different?

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Feathered Serpent!

Magick was once the occupation of the intellectual elite….then science came a long and its all just teenage girls and madmen.

Angel Taylor

Merry Meet. Are you a Solatry Witch or are you part of a Covern? Ithink what you need to work on first of all is the understanding of the religon more so than just casting spells. The tools that are used in all rites are the same there are no differeance it’s mainly down to the indivual if he/she wants to use seperate tools then they can. My other question is How long have you been a witch?
Please let me know send me a private message so I can help you
Blessed be

carlos casteneda

http://www.castaneda.org/
http://www.castaneda.org/
What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he’s learning shamanism but all he’s doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it.
What we need to do to allow magic to get hold of us is to banish doubts from our minds. Once doubts are banished, anything is possible.
The Wheel of Time
The Power of Silence

Rondynella

Always start learning at the beginner stage. If you try jumping ahead you will miss out and mess up the basic things.
R

LH Catholic By Choice

Your spelling MAJIC is wrong..

halcon

Hi Kira
Drop the “k” from magic please – although Uncle Al used “k”, it is seen these days as an affectation.
Everyone has to begin somewhere and that includes ceremonial magic, You would normally start as a probationer A probationer or seeker’s goal is to gain insight to their life’s path and their True Will. Probationers spend up to a year and a day investigating Thelema and other spiritual paths to gain and expand their general understanding of spiritual study, Universal concepts, and metaphysical ideas. This exploration into various disciplines and paths will help the seeker hone in on which path suits them best at this time. It is the responsibility of the probationer to develop his or her own personal spirituality while checking out a particular path. The prior experience of the seeker will determine the amount of time spent in this role.
At the grade of probationer, the seeker is advised to develop their own personal path and skill in ceremonial magic; a novice would learn how to cast circles, clear and empower space, and would become familiar with using the ritual tools of ceremonial magicians. More experienced magickal students would work on developing current skills and overall balance. The skills and information learned during the probationary period are of a Universal nature, so they will benefit the seeker in whatever spiritual path they choose to work with.
After that, a neophyte (1=10) Studies at neophyte include learning about Thelema and its general areas of study. Neophytes research and begin or continue studies in: magick, divination, QBL, alchemy, meditation, Yoga, and some form of energy/healing work (like Reiki or Therapeutic Touch).
These are just very general outlines, different orders have differing requirements.
Very occasionally (VERY VERY) do CM’s summon spirits, you can go for a very long time before seeing and much much longer before doing this. They want something when summoned you know, payment is required.
Ceremonial magic is, like most magical paths, is really about developing Self and Knowing Self.
You would find that CM circles are to an extent plainer in a few schools than initiatory Wicca.
Hope this helps a bit
Halcon :-))

Nightwind: Adipose says Hi!

Um, a beginner at what?
When you first begin learning about ceremonial magic, you will be a beginner. Everyone starts as a beginner. No one gets around that.
Ceremonial magic is very complicated, if that’s what you’re asking. But everyone has to start at the beginning!
No, it does not always involve summoning spirits. Ceremonial magic tends to be very heavy on correct ritual and correspondences. The names of angels and names of God are commonly used, but that doesn’t mean they are summoning them. Traditional ceremonial magic is very Judeo-Christian in its foundation, although some people alter rituals to fit other belief systems.
Wiccan working tools are similar to the working tools of the Golden Dawn (an organization of ceremonial magicians) and of Aleister Crowley, but not identical. Many systems of ceremonial magic do not have specific working tools (my area is renaissance occultism, where there is very little mention of tools). The specific uses and meanings of tools may vary from system to system as well.
Edit: please ignore castaneda’s link! If he’s the real deal, you should know he’s been accused many times of outright academic fraud: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda#Accusations_of_academic_fraud
I also fail to see how his stuff relates to ceremonial magic.

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