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Can anyone answer this question on Lao Tzu?

i have notes i guess i just need the question simplified or something to start me on a roll – thanks in advance.
“Therefore, when the Tao is lost, only then does the doctrin of virtue arise. When virtue is lost, only then does doctrine of humanity arise”
Is this criticism of Confucius way? On what grounds?
If anyone can simplify the quote and maybe very briefy attempt the question I’d much appreciate it


  1. The following commentary followed the Lao Tzu quote:
    ” The formulations of the virtues arise only after their roots have been covered. Chuang Tzu sees the Confucian as being “tattooed by humanity,” that is, by the doctrine of acting humanely. If you need the doctrine you are already lost, and following the doctrine will not return what you have thrown away but will in fact prevent you from finding it.
    Taoism can be seen to have therapeutic elements such as those that were mentioned earlier in the article. One cannot give a good answer to a bad question. When the Confucians and Moists ask what the grounds of action should be, the Taoists, especially in the Chuang Tzu, are not prepared to give an answer of the same kind as theirs. Saying that one should follow nature does not take one very far. There can be no general answer to the question concerning what I should do or how I should act. The only thing is to act according to my specific nature and in so doing, I will join the circle of the ten thousand things. Taoist literature provides us with a series of reminders concerning the adequacy, plenitude, and nature of the action of the Tao and serves not so much as instruction on how to act but as a demonstration and display that the question about action, posed in the abstract manner in which it is, is misleading and unnecessary.”
    From http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-PHIL/ew26810.htm
    Hope this helps!

  2. I relate it to wu wai.
    When a great hatred is reconciled
    naturally some hatred will remain.
    How can this be made good?
    Therefore the sage keeps the obligations of his contract and axtracts no virtue from others.
    Those who have virtue attend to their obligations those who have no virtue attend to their claims.
    Heaven’s Reason shows no preference,
    but always assists the good person.
    Basically dont fall foul of just practicing practice, you know so do, it also questions the real depths of practical selfless living.
    It’s questioning the follower, like a test.
    When you become everything and nothing then can you do withought merit, an you become the act of help.
    Then an only then will it make the difference.


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