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A question for those of you who use spiritual, religious, or secular rituals to gain knowledge and/or power?

I’m talking about any type of sacred/secular actions; inner, outer, choreographed, spontaneous, small, large, public or private. I know many of you practice meditation and ‘stillness’, but I also know some of you use the art of motion to shift into that ‘state’. This is what I’m curious about. Do you go into a trance?(entrance?) Can the same result be achieved with meditation?(chop wood, carry water?) How do a series of movements shift ones perspective? Can you combine meditation and ritual? Some of you use religious symbols and rehearsed words and actions, some of you are more spontaneous and use whatever is handy at the moment, some of you even have powerful little ‘rituals’ you use in what might be considered the secular world; writers, musicians, and athletes getting into the right mindset. How does this work? (as above, so below?) I’m not talking about superstition where fear is involved, I’m talking about peak performance, knowledge and power. Can you tell me about it?

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  • I use yoga to help gather my scattered energies and tap into my inner knowing. Yoga Journal is an excellent resource for information on this – but in a nutshell I have heard that, for example, inverted poses help you to see a different perspective, seated poses and be grounding, etc. Inverted poses rush blood to the head and throat – activating the heart chakra, the thyroid and the metabolism – while the extra blood in the head seems to help jump start the brain. Surely it’s easy to see that balancing poses help balance the body, but they also help to balance the mind, life and day – if only because your mind is single mindedly focused for a time on balance, and the physical balance backs-up and reaffirms the mental intention.

    I think in many instances, physical meditation can be very helpful too – my favorite is doing the dishes. It seems that while the body is occupied, the mind is allowed a chance to sort through it’s thoughts unfettered by having to be ready for a new thing – the repetive motion allows the body to go on auto pilot so the mind can do it’s thing.

    It can feel trancy – but not until you come out of it, sort of.

    Peace!

  • Hey Sunman,
    Wow, all I have to say is thank you for the question and thank Michelle V for the fantastic answer. I couldn’t agree more. I find stillness when doing my art as well. I have had some most unusual dream experiences and out of body travels but that is different. Michelle V said it so well. so I will just add this, The creative imagination is unleashed when the judgmental mind is quiet. Give welcome to the Power beyond the world of symbols and limitations.

  • Tools are only necessary until you have learned to access your inner child without them. Your inner child is the go between for you and your higher self. Eventually you no longer need tools to access your higher self. You will think something with the right amount of emotion, will, focus , and intent all at once and that thought will manifest. I’ve never heard anyone say anything good about wish magic. However, I have had phenomenal success with it. An altered state of mind is essential to your outcome. The right mindset comes from practice and with practice a key word will become all that is necessary to achieve it. Once you have reached this level the rest is up to you and your style. Meditation is essential to all that you do and are. Just remember that when dealing with magic, your way is what counts.

  • Whatever personally takes you ” there ” . . . then all is well and there you are.

    When I was first learning of meditation…I carried it out in the way that the ” mass ” sees it to be. That didn’t work for me…I was not ” connecting “. I was advised to do what ever worked for me personally…that there was not ” one ” best or particular way to step into that Light (meditate, gain knowledge etc.) I discovered my own ” method ” that tunes me into that ” place ” of the Light . . . and that’s what I do . . . I ” quiet ” and open myself the place of the Light then I’m there. No spoken words…simply the “words” of my soul and heart. That ” language ” that has no spoken words is very powerful for me.

    At a stoplight, grocery store line, while exercising, nature walk, personal quiet time, observing what’s going on around me on a deeper level, at a cultural faire, etc . . . or if a person has a gift and passion for playing an instrument. . . Going to the place of the Light . . .can be done anywhere…anytime…whatever method personally takes you to that place of Knowledge that is illuminated by the Light. . . than that is the ” right ” method.
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  • Ah Sunman,

    So much to address, so little time…I believe that ultimately artists, athletes, musicians, etc. do all move into a state similar to meditation. From this place, you are actually in the state of creating from a place of “nothingness” or the All, into the manifest. There is a zone, or a state, that I shift into, and have discussed with others and it seems to be consistant- where thoughts leave in a sense- and the work takes on a life of its own- where stone shows the carver where to carve, that sort of thing. It is a trance, but certainly not unconsciousness. I have become so absorbed in my artwork as to auctually scream when the person I live with then enters the room, I am so alone and immersed in it. (can be rather annoying to say the least – lmao)

    How do I get there? I have always gone- it is a natural state for me at least, I stare in fixity, and let my mind simply go.(fixity is a technique – eyes open on one spot, gazing, but not really looking. Children do it naturally all the time)

    My experiences in meditation are different. I meditate to transcend, and so for the most part, am not keeping my focus here on this plane, but letting go even further. Ritual can help, and is taught to bring one into a receptive state. I don’t use it much these days…. I have no rituals for my art trance either. But then, I have disciplined myself for 20+ years, and can meditate for many hours at a time if I choose. This is not arrogance, I have invested hundreds and hundreds of hours to reach this place…So it is easy now, to be still.

    As for being in movement and in trance,that is an art in and of itself, isn’t it. Repetative movements can be held in muscle memory, which allows the mind and consciousness to wander freely. I had some very altered experiences when I worked the late night shift on a car assembly line. Japanese monks will walk a path, Tibetans will circle the Stupa, Hasidic Jews will rock as they pray, dirvishes will spin and spin- raising the body’s electrum, putting the mind to the side, to create freedom, in time and out of time, at the same time. It is the same when I meditate, or create art-time is suspended.

    Thank you for asking, this is wonderful to have the chance to tell someone about. And besides, you already know, and you are being generous.

  • movement can break thought patterns which leaves you in a state of reception or stillness. Actually, it was the only way that I could meditate at first. It still is my favorite. I’m very spontaneous about it. Considering we are moving so much throughout the day, I actually go into meditation throughout the day as well. My purpose is to observe in this state, so that I can see what is coming. So that I have more power in how the outcome is going to go. Awareness about our own personal affect is really useful in life. Setting intent, has to come from the ability to wait. To release, and to act.

  • Everything begins in stillness, stillness itself has no beginning or ending, all one does, or says is overlaid upon this. All wisdom and power comes from this, to stay in this original state while one is *pre-forming* action is supreme. ~ : )

  • this would be writing for me
    I would perhaps do some visualisations or meditation to get me in the zone
    I would then ask for the helps of my guides and trust they their help is given
    and i trust my own subconscious

    so there are two things here for me which help

    intent and trust

  • Those Who Practice Magic Arts

    Webster defines magic as: 1 a: the use of means (as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces b: magic rites or incantations
    2 a: an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source b: something that seems to cast a spell

    The bible says, “Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God.” (Deuteronomy 18:9-13) No one that does these things will be blameless before God. God cannot look upon these acts. These acts are for the wicked. These acts are practices that the bible says not to do.

    He sacrificed his own son in the fire, practiced sorcery and divination, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the LORD, provoking him to anger. (2 Kings 21:6) When people practice magic arts, then they are doing evil in the site of God. When people do evil, they provoke God to anger. When God is angry he pours out his wrath on you. You will not be blessed, but you will be cursed.

    Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. (Revelation 22:5) This verse is comparing everyone who practices evil with dogs. Bible says magic arts are a false practice. When this verse is saying outside, it is talking about being outside of heaven. People who practice magic arts will not enter into the gates of heaven.

    But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars–their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8) All who practice magic arts will go to the lake of fire (HELL). This is what the bible calls the second death. God will judge all the wicked. The wicked will be judge at the white throne judgment.

    If you are one of the people who practice magic arts God will forgive you. Just repent and turn from your wickedness.

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