In this Intense conversation between Jiddu Krishnamurti and Dr. Allan W. Anderson, Krishnamurti dig into Psychology of pleasure and Fear in Pleasure, as J Krishnamurti puts it, ” Pleasure and fear seem to be deeply rooted in us – these two principles of pleasure and fear. I don’t think we can understand pleasure without understanding fear. Like punishment and reward. If there was no punishment at all nobody would talk about reward.”
This is the seventh conversation between Krishnamurti and Dr. Allan W. Anderson in San Diego, California,1974.
Discussion in this Conversation :
- What is pleasure? What is desire? We are not condemning pleasure, but observing it. To really go into the question of pleasure one has to look into desire. Through propaganda desire is inflamed.
- What is desire? How does it come about that this very strong desire is born, is cultivated? How does it take place in each one of us?
- Must desire be controlled at all? Desire seems to be a very active and demanding instinct that is going on in us all the time.
- Why has pleasure, whether of sex, possession, power knowledge, or enlightenment become so extraordinarily important in life?
- Pleasure is an extraordinary thing. To see a beautiful thing and to enjoy it, what is wrong with that?
Excerpts from Conversation
what is desire? Because I see something and immediately I must have it, a gown, a coat, a tie, the feeling of possession, the urge to acquire, the urge to experience, the urge of an act that will give me tremendous satisfaction.
The satisfaction might be the acquisition, acquiring a tie, or a coat, or sleep with a woman, or – acquiring. Now behind that, isn’t there, sir, this desire. I might desire a house and another might desire a car, another might desire to have intellectual knowledge. Another might desire god, or enlightenment. They are all the same.
The objects vary, but the desire is the same. One I call the noble; the other I call the ignoble, worldly, stupid. But the desire behind it. So what is desire? How does it come about that this very strong desire is born, is cultured? You follow? What is desire? How does it take place in each one of us?