Are we coming, meeting together? Or are you sitting separate over there and the speaker over here? We are physically, but is there any kind of communication between us? Is there any kind of observation of the common factor together? Do we both see, not only intellectually, verbally but actually as a fact – the fact. This microphone is a fact. Can we see the fact in ourselves that as long as you are committed, attached tied to something, to a person, to a belief, to a concept, there must be corruption? Whether you are a Marxist, Leninist, Mao or some latest guru, or attached to any particular system, there must be corruption. Do we see that as a fact? If I am committed to the idea that I am a Hindu, see what takes place. Or if you are committed as a Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, or belonging to some sect, some theological or democratic concept, you are tied and therefore you are not free to examine. And there must be freedom….
These are the excerpts from Rare Talks, J. Krishnamurti Talks..
Here J. Krishnamurti discusses :
- We are saying there must be a cause for this disorder. What is the cause?
- Are there several causes for disorder in our life or there is only one factor that brings about disorder?
- are we aware that we live in disorder?
- There must be disorder when there is contradiction, not only in your action, which is not only in your thought - in your behaviour. Contradiction, saying one thing and doing another. Obviously. And there must be disorder as long as we are conforming. Right?
- Conforming to an idea, to an ideal, to an image which has been created by another. All right? Which is: as long as there is contradiction in ourselves between action and the fact, between what we think and what we do.?
- That is: as long as man, mind, is trying to change 'what is' into 'what should be', there must be disorder. The totalitarian Communist world have their theoreticians according to Marx and Engles and Lenin and Stalin, all that, and have created a concept, an ideological world and the people there in their authority, in their power are shaping man to conform to that.
This is J. Krishnamurti Fourth Public Talk in Saanen in July 1980